Stronger "Satan" or "God" ?

This is a serious post.. i honestly want to know lol, what makes one stronger than the other ?

God. He is the one who created everything, including Satan. So God is way more powerful than Satan.

God is stronger, not only because he created Satan as Homeschooled pointed out, but also because he is Love and as I Corinthians 13:8 tells us: love never fails.

Well God is obviously stronger. But the real question would be which one has more impact on someone's life. Many things can lead people to sin (and thus to Satan). But God is far more powerful and if he wanted to could destroy Satan; however, he does not and there is already another thread talking of why on this forum.

I cant seem to find the thread explaining why one wouldnt just destroy the other so if someone could explain that would be great =P

I dont agree with it being that obvious, i think a persons strength comes from their infulence, and the world is far from perfect and if this is blamed on Satan being a evil force and his influence to make people do "bad" things, then i would say that they are both very powerful icons and unable to rid the world of the other.

They are like Ying and Yang and i consider them to be equals.

i bleive the thread is the one labeled If God can do anything..., Why doesn't he kill The Devil?

I made it.

http://www.christianteenforums.com/God-anything-t56454.html

Read Job... God is obviously stronger there because he is ordering Satan (or what is usually considered Satan, although I have heard it debated otherwise) around.

And besides, God could destroy Satan. He just doesn't.

Again its not obvious and the debate about oh he could destroy him if he wanted to, isnt there a story were God sent arch angel Micheal to kill the Devil and Micheal fail horribly ?

Which would lead me to believe that he is alot stronger then you think, just because you create something dosnt mean you can control it

He is a Hybrid and in a class of his own and the only true rival to your God.

I've never heard of this story coming from the Bible. It could have been made up.

Well, I guess yes and no.. In the story, there was a battle in heaven between the Devil and Micheal and he ended up casting the devil (then Lucifer in the story) out of heaven. Micheal's goal was never to kill the devil because that was not a part of God's plan. By the way, if you're wondering where that comes from, it's in the Book of Enoch. This book is noncannon and not considered inspired by God like the rest of the bible, but it was one of the iffy ones because Revelation refers to it so much. Also, you might've heard it from Milton's psuedo-theology Paradise Lost. I'd like to make the point that this is not theology at all though... just a story.


Yes, but God can control anything, or at least that's what we believe in Christianity. Once again, look into the book of Job.


Acutally, no. He's not really a hybrid of anything... He's kind of like the young punk teen who thinks he knows everything, rebells against his parents, and does all sorts of bad things who you think is tough.

Dante you should bring out the list of the legions into this.

Starting with Apollyon and Rev 9:11, in my opinion

So whats the difference between the two, arent they both Deity and immortal ?

God is the creator of every thing in the universe , you are wrong to put him in coparison with satan , it is extremely foolish question , i'm sorry but you described the matter as there is a war , and we guess who is the winner,
satan is a creature, he can't work against God's will , you will cathch me here and ask , so God tells satan to make people sining , my answer is that it is just misunderstanding , God never give satan the authority untill the human himself shows his bad intentions , bad beliefs , and bad thoughts like atheism as a big example ,
but good people who worship God without any partener with him , trying to do the best to their communites and love peace for every human , those are who win God's protection , and there isn't any control over them by any satan .
satan is completely different from God , multiply , many satans , eat , and die ,
but God is one , no wife , no sons , and no partener with him in his kingom, he is the call of love , kindness , forgiveness in every place, and in every time .

If you believe that the Bible is true, then you believe that Satan will eventually be cast into eternal fire from whence there is no escape, and thus God defeats him. He is not "killed" for the same reason that the human soul is not killed -- he is an immortal soul, not a finite body. This in itself is enough to say that God is greater than Satan.

Why doesn't God defeat Satan in this way now? The Bible does not provide a clear answer, although if the story of Job is any indicator, it is at least partly because he plays some role in the testing of humans. Furthermore, Satan is already "conquered," in two very important present ways. First, he can do nothing which God does not allow him to do, again demonstrated in Job. Second, Christ died and thus broke the binding power of Sin, breaking Satan's power over the Earth.

Another important thing to remember is that God is not a temporal being like human beings, but is above time. As C.S. Lewis says in the Screwtape Letters, "[This man] supposes that the Enemy [God], like himself, sees somethings as present and remembers others as past, and anticipates others as future... What he ought to say, of course, is obvious to us; that the problem of adapting the particular weather to the particular prayers is merely the appearance, at two points in his temporal mode of perception, of the total problem of adapting the whole spiritual world to the whole corporeal world... for the Enemy does not foresee the humans making their free contributions in a future, but sees them doing so in his unbounded Now."

Because God is above time and not a component of time, Satan is already defeated, and everything involving Satan is merely for the benefit of the rest of Creation. As Romans 8:28 says, "We know that all things [including Satan] work together for good for those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose."

Of course, all this assumes a biblical-Christian understanding of things. If you do not trust the Bible, then obviously none of this has any meaning; if, for instance, you believe that God came to you in a dream and said, "Satan is greater than I," the story is a tad different. However, anything is possible in a theoretical universe. The question concerns Christian perspective, and from a Christian perspective, the worshipped God is clearly much greater than the destroyed Antagonist.

This post has been edited by Yves: Mar 27 2009, 11:38 PM

Nope, Satan is not a diety and he does not have any more power then any other angel. He just is in a rebellion against God instead of in allance with him.

Their are many, many differences between Satan and God. First off, Satan was created by God. He has a begining and if God so chooses it, he would have an end because God supports all things, living and nonliving. Another difference between God and Satan is that God is love. From God all good things come. Satan on the other hand is a being full of hatrid and envy for the human race and greater even then his hatrid, is pride. Satan is not a deity and he is not even the counterpart of God. As I said before, he is the rebelling teenage son who doesn't know his place.

I am going to say though that I feel like I'm starting to be drawn into a debate through this, and that is forbade by the rules of this part of the forum. I will use my best judgement here, but if I studdenly stop replying to this thread, do not be surprised.

Lol okay, Its gunna be hard for them to understand thou, First off im am not a satanist of any kind, this story isnt even accepted by them, its a totally different belief system.

Basically there are certain demons that command anywhere from 60 to 200 Legions and there is over 600 Legionaires in Hell. Apollyon being the Leader of all the Legionaires. Now if you think there is 6000 men to one Legion so thats alot of demons. I dont know which Prince created Apollyon but it was one of the four princes of hell; Belial who was the first prince of Hell the other three are Satan, Leviathan, and Lucifer... but anyway Apollyon betrayed one of the princes and intends to rid the world of any mortal.

So Satan really isnt the guy you have to be concerned about, Apollyon is the guy with all the power nowadays.

So is this Apollyon guy a Deity is he considered a God ?


Also where do you get all this info from, you know some crazy things =/

Okay, yes that may be a real set of beliefs to some people, but I'm sorry to say that Ayperos, you really didn't have much of a point posting that here. You see this part of the forum is for Christian answers. I don't want to be rude or anything, and I did find that rather interesting, but that is no where referenced in Christian theology, so it probably had no point being posted in this section.

Actually you will find that Apollyon is as much a part of Christianity as any other story.

I think the point he was trying to make was, that in Hell there is a vast army and Apollyon's fight isnt against God, but the mortals that worship your god.

Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon_in_popular_culture

to have a little bit more of a understanding of what he was trying to say, and i think i was more adressed to Vamp to further her understanding of Hell and the power Satan has. I know its a christian form but both sides of the story are worth talking about and it dosnt neccesarily change a persons beliefs.

Well not really a god, but he is immortal in the sense no human could kill him. His war is with mortal men because he know he is no match for God, So Apollyon intend to rid the world of all mortals but Apollyon promised that any man who worshiped him during their lifetime stood the chance of being granted the chance to live.

There is lots of different sides of the story, Read up on him on Wiki if you want to read all the different sides of the story, lots of different religions believe in him but all of them think his intentions are different.

To answer your question, about who is stronger, if you believe in the Bible, you will understand that God created Lucifer (Satan) and that he succumbed to the sin of pride, wanting to exalt himself to be like God. This is found in Isaiah 14:12-14 Which reads-

12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

It is really not a question who is more powerful, God created Lucifer for a purpose, and lucifer went against that purpose. Satan's fate is sealed, it is completely spelled out in the book of Revelations.

This post has been edited by Firefighter4Life: Mar 30 2009, 09:44 PM

First off LOL @ U flex those interent muscles and tell us what to do more.

We have just given you more than enough evidence that Abaddon (Apollyon in Greek) is mentioned in the bible, i dunno have you even read it ? Its our opinion on who is stronger, and guess what we are intitled to it so get over it, the whole reason we brought it up is to let Vamp now about it, and that Satan is just a pawn compared to him and the fact your "God" cant control him.

and i will come back to the point "Both sides of the story are worth talking about". Its quite alright to be in denial over something you dont know or dont understand.

And it obviously has place here otherwise the admin wouldnt have approved the post.

I agree that both sides are worth discussing, so long as both sides are relevant. If, however, we were to start spouting off biblical verses in an "ask the Satanist," (just an example; I realize that multitudinous religions believe in Abaddon), we would obviously be somewhat off-target.

As for the biblical evidence you provided, the only mention I could find was this:




Revelation, then, appears to be the only actual reference to him as a demon. No where in any of that Scripture does the Bible make the claim that God cannot control Abaddon. In fact, both seem to make the opposite claim.

To start with Job,



This biblical reference which you use to prove Abaddon's existence in the Bible, then, is, like the rest of the actual arguments of Job, used to glorify God by demonstrating His superiority and control of all things--in this case, death.

Now, for Revelation.



Thus we see, again, that Abaddon can only harm those which God allows him to harm--in this case, those without the seal of God on their foreheads. Thus, we see again that the angel is not beyond God's control, from a biblical standpoint. Furthermore, the ending of Revelation, being the complete victory of God over Satan and the demons, renders any case for Satan's superiority from Revelation moot.

Again, there was a lot that you provided that was not biblical, and that would be worth consideration from a purely agnostic point of view. However, my only argument is one which stems from a biblical point of view, as that is what this particular forum was created for. Extra-biblical mythology says everything imaginable, and there is hardly any benefit to looking over the millions of alternative views when we are asking about a biblical-Christian perspective.

However, that doesn't mean that you can't start just that argument! It would simply have to go into the debate section rather than the Seekers section Don't ask me why, as I really don't know. I've argued against this particular policy many times myself.

This post has been edited by Yves: Mar 30 2009, 11:25 PM