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Abortion Kills More Black Americans Than the Seven Leading Causes of D, Says CDC Data
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post Nov 3 2009, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (Max Power @ Nov 1 2009, 05:43 AM) *
Just so we're clear, that stat includes the aborted fetus. The only way to make that number of deaths bigger is to make abortion illegal.


Calling a baby in the womb a fetus (Which is Latin for "little one") does not make them any less human than you or I.

As abortion is murder and every abortion causes a death, your post is a lie.

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Prohibiting abortion is unconstitutional.

Let's all move on.


Prohibiting slavery is unconstitutional. Let's all move on.

QUOTE (Max Power @ Nov 1 2009, 05:39 PM) *
Sorry, I should have explained myself better. What I was saying, is that the stat includes the aborted fetus, so saying it "Kills more black americans than the seven leading causes of death" is a bit of a misnomer. It's not about death rates, it's about abortion rates. Plus the artical doesn't mention the abortion rates among other races, so I one doesn't even know if it's higher among black people. The entire article was biased. Instead of referring to pro-choice groups as such, they said "pro-abortion". I don't think I've ever met anyone "pro-abortion". No one thinks abortions are a good thing, but rather they believe that the woman has the right to have one if necessary.


1. You make the false claim that the death of an unborn child is not the death of a human being.
2. African Americans make up around 35% of all abortions in the US. African Americans make up 12% of all US citizens. Only women can have children and therefore only women can get an abortion, which brings percentage of people making up the 35% of African American abortions down to 6%, then there is the fact that the women getting abortions are of child-bearing age, 16-40 is the average I believe, which brings the percentage of people making up the 35% of African American abortions down to 3%. 3% of the American population is committing 35% of the abortions. That is genocide.
5. If they are pro-abortion they are not pro-choice. They are for the removing of that child's choice to live.
4. Why would it not be a good thing? If it is not a child, but a blob of tissue that has the potential to "ruin" someone's life, it should be good to remove that blob of tissue that can cause so many problems.

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Also, I was just reminding people that the number of abortions does not change based on legality. When abortion is illegal, women will just go to back alley abortionists and if something goes wrong they will not seek out medical help for fear of reprocusion, and as a result many die. Abortion being legal does save lives.


Murder being illegal and punishable death does nothing to deter murder.

Again, making a claim based on the lie that children in the womb are not human beings, which makes the claim a lie.



QUOTE (mpok1519 @ Nov 1 2009, 06:14 PM) *
"Facts? What facts? How do you prove at what time a person is of age to be considered murder? "

the fact us was referring to was the supreme courts decision of abortion prohibition's unconstitutional nature.


Prohibiting slavery was also deemed unconstitutional by the "supreme" court. This was possible the same way abortion's decriminalization was, they "dehumanized" the blacks by saying they were not fully human.

QUOTE (Eclipse @ Nov 1 2009, 06:51 PM) *
It said kills more black Americans. I'd like to see the amount of abortions in correlation to other races. It'd be interesting.

It's likely because of the poor lifestyle of black America and the un-education therein. They have abortions because growing up in those adverse conditions doesn't mean you have the proper resources to support a child.


Here you go smile.gif

Whatever reasons they may have, abortion is still the taking of a child's life and is an abomination before God.

QUOTE (swampfox14 @ Nov 1 2009, 07:25 PM) *
thats sad. i reallyw ish people wouldn't abort babies. adoption is a way better option, unless your life is in danger


1. If you wish abortion wouldn't happen go to a local abortion mill and tell women the truth, that it is a life and that they do not have to murder their child.
2. Unless your life is in danger? So you agree that abortion is murdering a child, but as soon as the possibility of the woman dying comes into play you say the out-of-womb-er is more worthy of life? The chances of a woman dying from pregnancy are very slim, and neither the child or the mother have to be chosen as removing the child with a C-section is possible.

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Supposedly it's a violation of privacy to tell someone they can't have an abortion. And supposedly the 4th and 9th ammendment give you the 'other rights' that may not be otherwise mentioned. At least that's what they ruled in Roe V. Wade when they legalized it.
However, several states have succeeded in closing a lot of abortion clinics, such as mississippi, they only have one left.


States? You think the government had anything to do with those murder mills being closed down? Christians were out at those mills for years, and their faithfulness to the truth and life is what closed down those mills.

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Adoption isn't as easy as it sounds most of the kids you see in the foster care system don't get adopted and age out at 18 and left to their own devices and often fall into a life of drugs or crime. For those who want abortion banned and they rally for the rights of unborn children how many of these unborn children who end up as kids and teens in the foster care system will they plan on adopting if abortion gets banned. They talk so much about saving the lives of the unborn but what about those who are born and the ones who sit in the foster care system and will probably never end up in a family.


There are over 2 million couples in America who are waiting to adopt a new-born. Why they prefer a new-born to an older child is their own business, but they are there. Besides that, the chance of the child having a crappy life is no reason to murder him or her. Murder is not an option.

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QUOTE (AquinasD @ Nov 1 2009, 01:11 PM) *
Well, I'm not surprised by the abortion stats. According to available data, the most effective means of reducing abortions is to restrict access.


-What- available data?

The only data we have on abortion are correlational studies, not true experiments. Without true experiments (e.g., given control (x), variable (y), and condition (z), what occurs?), you can't say either way is an effective means of reducing abortions. Due to ethical concerns, no experiment could ever take place.

Sorry to drag up something from the first page, but this isn't something that can be argued like universal health care or the effects of smoking.
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post Nov 4 2009, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE (MrSugar @ Nov 3 2009, 05:42 PM) *
As abortion is murder and every abortion causes a death, your post is a lie.

No actually it's true. Prohibiting Abortion just causes more deaths, as now the people getting the abortion (same number as when its legal) are more likely to die as a result.


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Prohibiting slavery is unconstitutional. Let's all move on.


That's just completely untrue.

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Murder being illegal and punishable death does nothing to deter murder.


Exactly! Something being illegal does not deter people who! Since Abortion being illegal causes people to get back alley abortions, and if there are complications they do not seek medical help for fear of repercussion and many die as a result. So abortion being legal causes less death!
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That is genocide.


Your use of the word genocide is an emotionally charged lie at best, at worst it is a blatant lie used to influence peoples sense of guilt.

–noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Now what is abortion missing from that definition? Oh yes thats right everything. Just becuase more abortions occur in the African American community (which really has nothing to do with race and everything to do with socio-economic factors) does not mean that a genocide is occuring. To prove abortion fits this model you first have to prove that African Americans are deliberately getting abortions purely for the sake of eliminating their own race, you then have to prove that this is being done in a systematic way so that every women who is African American is being encouraged to get an abortion regardless of any other factor other than her race. While it may not be a nice thing, that doesn't make it a genocide and to say it is is simply a lie and a misuse of the English language.

While I don't agree with abortion on a personal level, I don't agree with lying to convince others of what I believe.
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QUOTE (Max Power @ Nov 4 2009, 11:54 AM) *
No actually it's true. Prohibiting Abortion just causes more deaths, as now the people getting the abortion (same number as when its legal) are more likely to die as a result.


Not true. Every abortion is murder. If abortion, the ace up the sleeve when it comes to "unwanted" pregnancies and their irresponsible parents, was no longer available people would be more hesitant to fornicate, meaning less "unwanted" pregnancies. Abortion encourages a lifestyle of sin, which would be better called a death style.

Women who die while attempting to murder their own children to get rid of the consequences of their sin have no sympathy from me. If you take another's life your life will be required of you.

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That's just completely untrue.


Why?

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Exactly! Something being illegal does not deter people who! Since Abortion being illegal causes people to get back alley abortions, and if there are complications they do not seek medical help for fear of repercussion and many die as a result. So abortion being legal causes less death!


So you believe if murder was no longer a crime the murder rate would stay the same, possibly even dwindle?

Again, every abortion is the murder of an innocent, defenseless human being.

QUOTE (seaisabella @ Nov 4 2009, 03:49 PM) *
Your use of the word genocide is an emotionally charged lie at best, at worst it is a blatant lie used to influence peoples sense of guilt.

–noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Now what is abortion missing from that definition? Oh yes thats right everything. Just becuase more abortions occur in the African American community (which really has nothing to do with race and everything to do with socio-economic factors) does not mean that a genocide is occuring. To prove abortion fits this model you first have to prove that African Americans are deliberately getting abortions purely for the sake of eliminating their own race, you then have to prove that this is being done in a systematic way so that every women who is African American is being encouraged to get an abortion regardless of any other factor other than her race. While it may not be a nice thing, that doesn't make it a genocide and to say it is is simply a lie and a misuse of the English language.

While I don't agree with abortion on a personal level, I don't agree with lying to convince others of what I believe.


Coming from someone who knows next to nothing about Planned Parenthood's true history, I won't even bother discussing it with you. Please watch the documentary Maafa 21 and get back to me wink.gif (The video can also be watched on Youtube HERE. Also visit BlackGenocide.org)
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Coming from someone who knows next to nothing about Planned Parenthood's true history, I won't even bother discussing it with you. Please watch the documentary Maafa 21 and get back to me (The video can also be watched on Youtube HERE. Also visit BlackGenocide.org)


I don't have to know anything about Planned Parent hood to know the definition of a genocide. "To prove abortion fits this model you first have to prove that African Americans are deliberately getting abortions purely for the sake of eliminating their own race, you then have to prove that this is being done in a systematic way so that every women who is African American is being encouraged to get an abortion regardless of any other factor other than her race. " Do this please or else you really are blatantly dieing. I find it ironic that so many Christians argue about changing traditional meanings of words, and then blatantly do so to further their own position.
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They are deliberately murdering their own children, causing the systematic extinction of their race. Whether they know that is what they are doing or not it is still genocide. Also, the ones who make the abortions possible, Planned Parenthood, are fully aware of it and are making sure it happens. They put their abortion mills in neighborhoods that a mostly populated by blacks for a reason, so abortions are more convenient and are therefore more likely to be chosen.

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