NO NO NO, YOU'RE NOT THINKING RIGHT!

We all know that an omnibenevolent, omniscient, omnipotent being born on December 25th stopped the chalk from falling!

All hail Sol Invictus.







Sorry, I'm a sucker for parody.

This post has been edited by Aeterna: Nov 3 2009, 09:53 PM

Where did we come from?

Homo erectus

Where did they come from?

Kenyanthropus platyops

Australopithecus afarensis

Where did they come from?

Ardipithecus

Where did they come from?

Hominina

Where did they come from?

Hominidae

Where did they come from?

Catarrhini

where did they come from?

Haplorrhini

Where did they come from?

Darwinius masillae

Where did they come from?

Euarchonta

Where did they come from?

Eomaia scansoria,

Where did they come from?

eucynodonts

Where did they come from?

pelycosaurs.

From here we apparently branch from reptiles, which branched from tetrapodes, which branched from Chordates way back to the earliest things like worms (first thing to have a brain apparently) and back further to sponges and cells. I didnt want to copy and paste all that

Where did they come from?

....

Go back further?

Where did the earth come from?

Homogenous accretion: Similar elements stick together, creating a solid mass. The heat generated in this process melts the particles. The heavier elements sink to the center because of gravity, creating the Earth's sold core. Outgassing from this solid body creates the atmosphere.
Heterogeneous accretion: First, particles of metal stick together, creating the Earth's core. Lighter elements stick to this core as it continues to cool. The gravity of this mass attracts most of the atoms that make up the atmosphere.

Where did the 'Similar elements/particles of metal' come from?

Big Bang

What exploded?

....

....

Thats why I believe.


God Bless

Argument from ignorance??

Nothing. A singularity expanded.

Now what?

Something doesn't come from hominidae or Catarrhini any more than a duck comes from a bird. That's like saying "humans came from apes hurr hurr". Of course we did, since we're already ape.

Once again, cosmological argument leads to deism, not theism.

This made me lol.

1) My argument is not a "God of the gaps" argument. I do not posit "We don't know this, therefore God."

I actually posit "We do know this, therefore XYZ... therefore God."

You can find my argument on my blog.

2) It doesn't lead to deism. The cosmological argument doesn't posit a God that is disinterested in creation.

Anyhow, if you want to argue my argument, PM me.



I didn't realize atheists believed something could come from nothing.

Atheists don't. Nihilists do.

I'd think nihilists would be more likely to posit there is more or less nothing than something.

Do realize I was just patronizing seBass, because I fail to see how my statement "Nothing comes from nothing" is unreasonable.

It may be reasonable, or devoid of reason, that I won't get in to. However, it is an inaccurate representation of what an atheist actually believes, or at least an overt hyperbole of what their beliefs are.

Oh really? As a Deist, I'd like to see your reasoning behind that.

Reply out of ignorance??


Where did that come from?

What?

You committed a fallacy in your post: argument from ignorance. You can deny it if you want but we all see it.



"I don't know X, therefore Y"

Logically nonsensical.

This post has been edited by afriendlyatheist: Nov 4 2009, 08:12 PM

Well, youre wrong. I didnt say it proved anything. I said that is why I believe.

If I needed proof, I wouldnt need faith now would I.

This isnt a debate.

**I thought you would have used the term argumentum ad ignorantiam so sound even awesomer...but either way you failed.


Wrong. I know that nothing comes from nothing. And that something cannot come from nothing.

So..where did it all come from?


Where did that come from?

It's incoherent. A being who is eternal and self-sufficient creates and doesn't care after that point?

The very fact that we're positing an after about a being who is eternal can change is the problem. If the God-being had enough interest in creation to create it, then He would remain interested. Once interested, always interested, due to His eternity/impassability.

You're imposing very human limitations on a supposedly omnipotent creator. Why should it be unchanging simply because it is eternal?

Ok, so you admit then that you have no logical reason. Logic doesn't become null because something "isn't a debate."



Yet this "knowledge" is somehow ignored when it comes to god itself.



I don't know.

God who comes from yet another God who comes from yet yet another God... ad infinitum.

So let's stop debating the existence of God, be you Christians, athiests or 'that Hindu'



Oh my Darwin that's a good idea.



No doubt this time a wind would have blown (when I say wind, I obviously mean tornado) which would have whipped the chalk out the nearby open window and through the keyhole of the pillow factory which conviniently was placed right next to this college.
I mean duh afriendlyathiest.

Very good point, except that you are operating under the assumption that the act of creation has to done out of love or concern. I don't think that because the deist's god lacks concern for his creations after creating them, he changes after he is done with the creation process. And that's because it's not necessary for him to create out of love or concern for his creations.

Game programmers have created virtual worlds/universes that's populated by intelligent complex organisms with free-will just to see how far they could push the A.I. technology. A game programmer could, for example, create a game called The Sims and then watch his Sims go about interacting with their world without his intervention. The game programmer has not changed since he has created the game with the original intention of creating something which he could observe without needing his intervention.

This post has been edited by Sinnerman: Nov 5 2009, 06:27 AM

Ahhh, wrong again? Whats up?

Is it logical to come to a conculsion, "It all had to start somewhere...."??

No, it is not.


Since, as you know, as a Christian I believe God is infinite, meaning He has always been, and always will be...it's not ignored, its irrelevant. Like your replies in this thread that isnt a debate.


"I dont know, but I know it wasnt God...."

Oxymoron anyone?


Not the God who I am talking about..

I wont post anymore. I realise that this is aplace to say why you are athiest, not to bash christian beliefs, or beliefs in a diety at all.

As you were

At that point I would just point out that it is quite obvious that what exists exists because it is hinged on the "being" of God, and so existence is "existence" because it is like the "existence" of God; IOW, nothing exists that is not like what it was/is created by. It would be impossible for God to create something totally in contradiction to His "being;" He couldn't create a universe not governed by the laws of logic, a universe where God didn't exist, a universe that existed without existence, etc.

So, there is good, and there is only good because this good is like the "good" in God.

Hence the reason God created was out of a (benevolent) interest in the creatures of His creation (through His omniscience).

OMGyoudisagreedwithmeyou'rebashingmybeliefs!!!!!!!!



And as for all the people asking 'where do singularities come from hurr hurr??' - read up on your quantum physics. It might not make sense to us, because after all, we evolved to deal with a world where this sort of thing just doesn't happen, but at the quantum level, something can come out of nothing. I'm not an expert by any means but I know that much. Also some subatomic particles can move from on place to another without crossing the space inbetween.

But yh... not a debate

OK ONE MORE POST! Just for you



I dont see anyone here saying, "I dont agree." Or "I disagree"...I do see "It's illogical" and something stupid about Gods coming from Gods coming from Gods...ad infinitum.

So maybe before 'trying' to be funny, or smart...read?


You havent really contributed at all to this thread, which is asking why people are athiests. I chose to share why I believe which comes down to a logical conclusion that everything had to come from somewhere.
And for the rest of what you said



Singularity is just that, a singularity, not plural.

It did not come from anywhere, as when it was infinitly dense time did not yet exist, so it existed infinitely. According to both Eisteins GTOR and The Theory of Quantum Gravity.

You saying "Something can come out of nothing" is telling me YOU need to read up on your quantum physics and that indeed you are not an expert.

Dont take this post as an attack, as I wont reply to anything "smart" you have to say. There is no need. (which could be said for my post , get a mod to remove it if you want)

God Bless

This post has been edited by DCYPL: Nov 5 2009, 05:32 PM