Ok well i don't know the entire Bible, but I am in the process of studying it. I personally feel like suicide is wrong, and that it is not God's pleasure in someone taking their own life. But for me the Word of God is the final authority so I'd really like to know what the Bible says on suicide. My Bible is the NIV version and it is translated again into "teen" form. It's called the Teen Study Bible so I may have missed some details. Any thoughts?

"Thou shalt not kill". that's the answer right there for me.

Here's an article that explains my position (in essence, suicide is a sin). The paper will explain the details, cautions and exceptions, along with scripture and reason: The A/G and Suicide.

This one is a PDF on assisted suicide.

I want to punch people in the face when they say suicides go to hell, its wrong to teach false and evil doctrine.

Romans 6:23 'For the wages of sin is death, BUT the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ Our Lord.'

If you have Jesus and do feel immense loneliness and depression, THERE IS NO REASON WHY A LOVING GOD WILL SEND YOU TO HELL!

People are stupid.

At least read my article before posting such an opinion. WE send OURSELVES to Hell through the things we do, btw. God does not send anyone to Hell.

I will read the article but it is 0% Biblical supported - suicides going to hell.

If I rob a bank and was charged for it, who would send me to jail? I dont, the law does ergo society.

Its the same, Jesus sends people to hell.

Read the article, THEN critique it in your next post of you like. Issues this important need thorough positions for both sides.

I will tell you what the Bible says about suicide.

God is. God is Love. God judges the heart. God is sovereign. And God is just.

That is all you need to know.

This post has been edited by Matthew: Oct 31 2009, 09:08 PM

I dont disagree with that article, It is mostly Biblically supported, I dont agree with suicides going to hell.

Let me ask you a question. Say Bob is a Christian, but the devil get the best of him and he steals a Mars bar, walks out of the shop and is hit by a bus. Since stealing is a sin (exodus 20) is he going to heaven or hell?

heaven, i think

The devil doesn't get the best of anyone. Temptation is always resistible--if we choose to resist it. God always provides a way out.

That said, Bob made his own decision to go his own way, break God's law, and commit a sin that he knew was wrong. He was not coerced, threatened, hypnotized, or forced. Since, in that sin Bob chose his own path, rebelling against God by stealing (something which God says is wrong), he would go to Hell if he did not repent of such sin before he died. God did not send Bob to Hell. He made the choice to send himself there.

This post has been edited by jarkaimaster: Oct 31 2009, 10:09 PM

Thank you. I thought you were a perfectionist. My first time in a pentecostal church, i got in a debate with the Pastor and the church about this...

Its sad that you still have a perception of God as Martin Luther did - that one has to earn their way to heaven.

Let me ask you a question.

Say you feel like a rebel today and you take your mum/dads car for a joy ride (Yay!) you have violated their rules. Unfortunately you hit a tree and die, ruining their nice car-with your blood and since it did hit a tree.

Now what would a loving parent do?

Would they go, 'That little so and so, you know what screw him, he disobeyed me lets just throw him in the lake.'

Or a they going to mourn and wish that he never did that silly mistake and wish he could come back some how and give a grand funeral?

You tell me?

This post has been edited by Solja247: Oct 31 2009, 10:20 PM

The example is irrelevant. I would be dead. There would be nothing my parents COULD do.

The Law decrees that we MUST be perfect, otherwise we do not get into Heaven.

HEAR THIS: Christ's sacrifice for us is the ONLY WAY to accomplish the demands of the Law.

Jesus' death on the cross did not nullify the standards of the Law. Instead, it made them accessible. Through Him (and only through Him), the Law can be kept, by grace through faith to take care of sin we have committed, and by diligence on our part not to sin. This does not mean we are capable of being perfect in this life--I am not a Pelagian. We must rely on God's grace and forgiveness when we do sin (grace and forgiveness for every sin), and do our best not to sin.

God's moral standards have not changed. He expects absolute, perfect holiness from us, and in His mercy, He has given us the only way to do that: be saved in Jesus Christ by grace through faith.

Nothing can drive us away from God's LOVE, but we can pull ourselves away from His SALVATION. If we deliberately choose to sin, then we voluntarily reject God's Salvation. God does not force us to remain in His Salvation if we want to leave. He will not alter our minds so that our free-will is lessened (indeed, Salvation frees our sense of choice). Until such time as we voluntarily repent, God will not force us to be saved, even when He knows it is best, because it is not what we have said we want.

That is why Bob would have gone to Hell if he did not repent. He WANTED to do something sinful, and because he did that, he paid the price. God mourned him, but since Bob already rejected the only way to be saved, God would not force him to change his mind before his time was up. (That example of course, assumes that a Christian COULD blatantly sin like that, and that a Christian could also make it out of the shop without being convicted both by conscience and the Holy Spirit).

It would be entirely Bob's fault any way you slice it.

EDIT:

I also never said you could EVER earn your way into Heaven. Please don't put words in my mouth.

This post has been edited by jarkaimaster: Oct 31 2009, 10:43 PM

It's "Thou shalt not murder."


Please tell me your joking or talking about prior to leaving the Catholic church. Luther far from taught salvation by works. He is the one who coined the phrases: Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, look them up

Depends what you believe I guess...

Some Christians believe that once you have been TRULY Saved, you can not lose that faith and will go to Heaven no matter what... Others believe that once you are Saved, you can slip back into "wickedness".

I tend to believe that if a Christian commits a sin and is not able to confess and ask for forgiveness before his/her death then they still arrive in heaven. Why do I believe this? Because I believe that God realizes that purity/perfection is impossible, and no matter how hard we try we are going to fall short.

If that applies to "Suicides" as well is debatable I suppose, but ultimately your opinion.



So what your saying is that even though Bob had came to Christ and lived the best Christian life that he possibly could, but then because of one slip up he is condemned to Hell?

No one "slips up" when they sin. In that specific moment of sin, we want to sin. Before and after, we may say we do not or did not want to, but no one can force us to sin. It is entirely our fault if we do sin: a conscious rebellion against God, one that invalidates our former state of forgiveness until we repent of that new sin.

In short: If Bob intentionally sinned, did not repent, and then died, then yes, he would go to Hell.