QUOTE (ButterflyforChrist @ Feb 1 2005, 08:26 AM)

Rice- Sweet!

Yessss (Does it like Napolian)
I am liked.....duh.......w/e I feel like gosh!

QUOTE (pianoforchrist @ Jan 31 2005, 01:27 PM)

most people say that it is a woman's choice whether she wants to abort because "it is her body".  it is really God's body and they have no right to it themselves.

^totally agree with that part!

Plus, we dont need to care about over populating. Its all in God's hands. The tsunami might have been God's way of downing the worlds population by -200,000.
Like people say, the end is near.

This post has been edited by Rice: Feb 1 2005, 07:30 PM

Did you guys hear this?

The lady in the Roe v. Wade case has changed. She was the one who got abortion legalized. But since then she has become a Christian. Now she is getting millions of women who have had abortions to write letters about how bad the affects of having the abortion were on them. Then they are going to present them to Congress or the Supreme Court or one of those big systems. Lol. How awesome is that?!?

I know! It hasen't happened yet, did you find that on the bound4life website? I strongly support them in financle needs.......Larry people! The need youe help!
Lol, get it?

^That was weird.....

Hehehe only a lil. But it was funny all the same.

This post has been edited by ButterflyforChrist: Feb 2 2005, 09:36 PM

^whats your name again?

That is really awesome!!! I can not imagine actually having an abortion, it would tear you apart knowing that you prevented a person from living. You committed murder basically. It is just so sad when people say that a baby is not really alive until it is born. That is soooooooo untrue! it is a live all the same that God created in his own image. It is also very sad when a woman will abort her baby just because he/she has a imperfection. I know some people who knew their baby's wouldn't live but still gave it a try. It just touches my heart to think of ever being in that situation where you have to trust God when you know that your baby will not live and only having a few minutes with him/her, but God would give strength if that ever were to happen. Thanx for all your input!

QUOTE (pianoforchrist @ Jan 30 2005, 05:02 PM)

Abortion is such a sad deal. It is just a way out of dealing with reality and life. It is wrong is so many ways, it is murder for one thing. The way I think of it is as a way out for a young girl to mess up and not have any consiquenses for it. People think that people being killed in 9/11 and such is such a tragidy, they should see that abortion kills just as many babies per day. It is really sickening, and from my point of view, everything that Christ teaches against. I would love to hear your opinion on it. LUv ya all!

We should support maternity homes, adoption agencies, pregnancy awareness organizations and the many positive centers that support life.

I mean if pro-choice and pro-life could agree that we need to lower the abortion rates that would be amazing. With combining there powers with one idea of "atleast" lowering the rate of abortions with education, information and preperation. Some pro-choice dont even like abortion, but they support it as a last form of "birth control". I have many talks with pro-choice and very few are opposed to lowering the number of abortions.

QUOTE (Rice @ Feb 2 2005, 02:29 AM)

QUOTE (pianoforchrist @ Jan 31 2005, 01:27 PM) most people say that it is a woman's choice whether she wants to abort because "it is her body".  it is really God's body and they have no right to it themselves. ^totally agree with that part! Plus, we dont need to care about over populating. Its all in God's hands. The tsunami might have been God's way of downing the worlds population by -200,000. Like people say, the end is near.

just something to add to that. The entire worlds population could fit inside the city limits of Jacksonville, FL and have 4-5 feet all of their own.

QUOTE (pianoforchrist @ Jan 30 2005, 05:02 PM)

Abortion is such a sad deal. It is just a way out of dealing with reality and life. It is wrong is so many ways, it is murder for one thing. The way I think of it is as a way out for a young girl to mess up and not have any consiquenses for it. People think that people being killed in 9/11 and such is such a tragidy, they should see that abortion kills just as many babies per day. It is really sickening, and from my point of view, everything that Christ teaches against. I would love to hear your opinion on it. LUv ya all!

dont get me wrong. i absolutely agree with what youre saying. totally.
but, unfortuanetly, the ppl who have abortions do suffer consequences. i heard of many ppl who have had this overwhelming guilt because of what they did.

but i agree. HOW CAN ONE KILL A BABY?

someone brought out a good point with the 9/11 thing and how that is tragic but so is abortion. they both are the same thing. people being mass murdered.

listen to this, it breaks my heart:

when someone has a partial birth abortion, they totally bring the baby out of the womb except for the head. (ok come on, the baby is totally birthed cept for the head, WHY CANT YOU BRING THE BABY INTO THE WORLD!?!?!?)
then, they stick something into the baby's neck, and it eventually kills the baby, but check this out:

the baby, fully, cept for the head, brought out into the world, has its hand and feet exposed.
the feet wiggle and the hands move, then when they stick the thing into the babys neck the hands flinch open and the baby is dea....

how horrible is that?!?!?!?!?!?

also go here:
for some pics:
abortion pics

a womans guilt for killing her baby

i can't believe people would go thru sumthing. like..i can understand in sum cases ur desparate for money..but like..it costs money to get an abortion in the first place!! it's just..part of me also believes it's really irresponsible. like..it's people's way of having free sex while getting out of having a baby. it's just awful. is there a limit to how many abortions u can have, btw?

good point about the tragedies. never thot about it that way

i dont know if theres a limit......hmmm, never thought of that question.

but i do know, you dont need to have an abortion. sure, maybe you're not able to take care of your child because of age or money but that is why there is adoption....abortion shouldnt be an option

woah

awww *sobs*

But, at which point is an abortion murder? At what time is it not ok to stop the baby from coming into this world. Is is at birth, three months after being conceved, what is it?

If a man kills a pregnant woman and both her and the baby die, then why is he charged for 2 counts of murder? But if a doctor kills a baby, why is he not?

QUOTE (Lion-O @ Feb 7 2005, 12:55 AM)

But, at which point is an abortion murder? At what time is it not ok to stop the baby from coming into this world. Is is at birth, three months after being conceved, what is it?

Exactly we let the Government choose when that life is "deemed" a life. Right now anything in the third trimester that is aborted is illegal, hence the word "partial birth".

As science advances it proves that a baby is more then a "blob of goo" like abortion activist used to preach. It is now very well developed child at 6-12 weeks, strange that is has brain waves, fingers, toes and a pumping heart.

So there is no murder in the first or second trimester, but the child is "deemed" alive and a life at the third trimester, that is wrong to me.

Isn't it murder at any age? If you kill a baby, whether or not they were thinking and had a personality yet, that's still a person who never got a chance at life.

Like, a baby could have been conceived that had the DNA to become, for example, a great artist. But the parents decided to have an abortion. So that person never got a chance. Does it matter that they were killed before they were a complete person? They still would have become one.

If people are going to be so irresponsible as to have a child accidentally, they have to deal with the consequences, even if that means putting him/her up for adoption.

Thats just what I think.

All I can say is that it's murder. If you open up abortion because the baby is unwanted, what happens to the people who are mentally handicapped that "aren't wanted"? There's a nice idea someone came up with...if you don't want the baby, don't have sex. But, since we most likely are not gonna stop people from having sex, *Breaking News*, there's a thing called adoption. Man, this topic really gets me steamed. Some of the arguements that I hear for abortion are just so illogical...

Abortion is just a way for people go the "easy" way out. I think that one reason people don't just have their baby and put it up for adoption is that it is painful, and a woman's body is never the same after it. Women are too involved with their image that they don't even want to attempt to try to have a baby. Plus giving it up for adoption is probably quite heart-breaking, people are afraid if they do that they won't be able to let go, and then have a whole nother problem on their hands. It is especially sad that people do not want children, they don't realize that they are little blessings from God. From some elderly people I have talked to, they wish that they had had more children. More to care and love them in their old age, and it is so sad when they are in that state they can do nothing about it. If women would just listen to what the elderly are saying I think it would make sense to them. Peopl could also just want the "perfect family", they want their money, jobs, beauty, just everything for themselves, and they are afraid that if they do have children all of that will end. Well, I am enjoying this debate, it really gives me some insight on what other people think. Thanx so much!

And on the subject of if it is ok to abort a baby when it is younger, It is still a life and it is wrong ever to commit murder. People don't think of it as a life but, they need to realize, what if their mother had aborted them? it wouldn't have been so swell then.

I personally think that the arguement of adoption being too heartbreaking is quite lame. I'm not knocking you pianoforchrist, but yeah, I'm wondering how people can really think that KILLING the baby is any less traumatic than putting it up for adoption.

All i can say is Jesus is coming soon

Amen!