wow.. ..Take a look at this and see if your opinion changes about abortion (if your for it). This is so sad! oh yea, this is from Bound4Life! Its long but its way worth your time!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi, I’m Cherish.

Well, that’s not my real name…I don’t have one. But for almost as long as I can remember HE’s called me that: Cherish, or Cherished…It’s what He loves to call me.

When I first came here I was called: Nameless, Nothing, and Problem, but as soon as I met Him He called me Cherished, He said it was because I was loved, treasured…agape’d. You see, when I was eight months “along” my mother aborted me…I was a “problem,” a “mistake,” and a “catastrophe”. So I never got the thrill of having a name

I remember it you know…

It hurt…

<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> I always wonder what it would’ve been like. I can’t imagine what it would’ve been to have a family, a mother… Would I have had brothers? Sisters? I wonder what my first word would’ve been; I smile when I think about it.

Would I have been smart? I bet I would’ve gotten all A’s, and made Mom so proud of me! I bet that I would’ve been happy and…funny! Oh I can just wonder about how it would feel to ride a bike, play jump rope, climb a tree…

I wonder if I would’ve blown out all my candles with one breath on my fifth birthday…I bet I would’ve!

I wonder what it’s like to finger paint, to smash my fingers into Play-Doh.

Would mom have loved me? Would she have kept me if she had seen me…If I had seen her?

I wonder if she would’ve loved me if she had held me, touched me, and kissed me. What if I had smiled at her, cuddled to her…would she have still wanted me not to exist?

If my tiny new hand had rested on her finger, in her own palm, would she still have let me go?

I wish I could’ve known her, played with her, seen her...tell her I loved her. I wish I had the chance.

Would Mom and I have been good friends? Would we have talked about boys, painted our toes, and had disagreements?

<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> Why didn’t she want me?

Maybe it was because she knew I wouldn’t be pretty. I know that she was disappointed, but oh if she only knew how excited I was! I just couldn’t wait to see her! I couldn’t wait to have her hold me…see me and tell me that she did love me…

I can only imagine her looking down at my new face and knowing it had all been worth it. I can just dream about her smiling and whispering, “I love you…” into my tiny ear…oh how I longed to tell her!

I remember that day so well…

I was so excited, I just couldn’t wait! I was almost ready, I could feel it. Then all of a sudden it was time! I started to fight to get out…I was so alive! It was long and hard, but finally I saw light! I know that if I could smile I was!

Oh Jesus! I’m almost there! I told my father.

Then something that was so sharp and…mean hit my neck. The pain, it hurt so bad…I tried to get away, to get out…if I just got to Mommy, everything would be alright, but something so strong was holding me there.

Something else hit the base of my skull. The pain seared through my small body…I knew that this was the end of something that began.

No! No! Oh Daddy it hurts! I cried to my father. Oh how much I wanted to see my mommy.

It’s alright my child! I know it hurts. It’s almost done my beloved…” He told me…

I knew I would never see my Mommy. I felt myself falling, slowly falling away. It hurt so badly.

Jesus! I cried…The light that had been so new, so exciting, slowly melted away… Mommy! Mommy, please want me! I sobbed, I knew she didn’t…

Then as I wept, there was nothing…just…nothing. I was so empty. So unwanted, abandoned, and unloved…It ached within me. I was nothing…there was nothing…I was so cold and hungry for life. It hurt even more because I knew that it was gone…

Oh how I wanted to be loved and wanted…I just wanted life…

As I lingered in my dark nothing I felt a warmth flow over me…A light so warm and welcoming enveloped me… He was there…

<!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--> He came to me, wrapped me in his love, spread hope within the walls of my soul… He had come for me, to take me away from my emptiness…

I wept for my life that I never lived, I wept for the things I never could do, the gifts He had put in me that I would never get to use… I wept for the mother I never knew but loved…

His strong arms comforted me, His loving words filling me… He spoke strength to my weakness, hope to my despair, wholeness to my brokenness, and he filled my empty depths and agape’d my sorrow.

He took me to a place so wonderful, so full of life…eternal…


In my brokenness when I was embittered, but in His love I was softened. And as I was filled, my heart cried for the mother I never met... As I wept for the pain in her soul, I loved her, hurt for her, and through Him I forgave her...

So God wants us to rape the natural world as we see fit? Doubtful.

My goodness, is this really happening? First off this topic, is way, WAY off the original debate, so it must do nothing on this board.
second, I'm the half way, in this off topic subject, first off, "mpok1519"



WHOA! What?? It sounds like you spend more time reading the dictionary then you do God's word! "delusional"? Are you going to deny God's own word? You might as well, deny that Christ rose from the dead for your own sins! It's written in black and white, and you don't have to go far into the bible to find it:



It's hard to misinterpret that.


and, like I said, I'm on middle ground, so now: "comeuppance"



sure there is, first there's God, then the angels, then the authorities, then your parents, and then you. There's so much scripture for this, so really I'm just going to say that my reference is the bible, you should read it some time.



You, don't need to care what they think, because they don't 'think' in the manner that we refer to as 'thinking'. However you do need to 'care' about them, a little. Why? Because they're also God's creations, and remember that God gave you them, so in the same manner that you care for your salvation, (God's gift to you) you should care for the animals (God's gift to you) They are given to us, to do with them what we want, but we should still be good stewards over them, as God is over us.

Now, that everyone's settled, do you want to continue the discussion this board was originally created for?

"WHOA! What?? It sounds like you spend more time reading the dictionary then you do God's word! "delusional"? Are you going to deny God's own word? You might as well, deny that Christ rose from the dead for your own sins! It's written in black and white, and you don't have to go far into the bible to find it"

much of the bible is allegorical. The universe isn't six thousand years old; evolution is real; dinosaurs did not walk with Job. If reality cntradicts a literal interpretation of something obviously metaphorical and non-literal, then there's something wrong with the literal interpretation.

these are not facts.


not only do i agree, but Comeuppance and AquinasD agree as well. nothing has intrinsic value if there is no God. one can only obtain artificial value subjectively, and i would argue that even God's perspective is technically subjective.. meaning all value is artificial.


God let's children die from malaria. God drowned children in the biblical flood.
to treat animals in the way that God supposedly treats us is to occasionally act without consideration of their mortal lives.

My parents are worth more than I am? I suppose that theirs are worth even more? IS this a number based system? How much less am I worth than Captain George Lowther the Pirate; or, even further, Eric the Red?

You're describing quantitative value rather than qualitative value.

Either way, the question stands: are my parents' parents worth more than they are?

As I said before please DO NOT twist my words. Where in any of my BIBLICAL proof did I say that we go and rape the world. That doesn't even make any sense.



If you didn't notice I gave proof from biblical references making them facts...

there are two kinds of explanations in the world:
those that can be proven or disproven
and those that cannnot be proven or disproven

i find that explanations that can be proven or disproven are beneficial to society. it is generally useful knowledge. things that cannot be proven or disproven are pointless. let me give you an example.

an apple falls from a tree. person A says it is because of a force called gravity, and this force's magnitude is directly related to the mass of the object. person B says it is the work of a supernatural being that can't be observed. everything that falls is impure and once you are purifed, you will be free of this force and able to ascend to the heavens to join the supernatural being in eternal bliss. person A's explanation results in the gain of knowledge, and future generations are able to understand this force and apply this knowledge in many useful ways. person B never let go of his explanation because nobody could prove him wrong. his explanation did not result in the gain of any useful knowledge, it could not be applied in any useful way.

your references are not facts because they're not historically accurate. the reference about being created in God's image also cannot be proven or disproven.

Im sorry, but I believe everything said in the Bible is historically acurate. It is real, and has happened...unless you are talkin about Revelation which is a prediction of what will happen...Since when is the Bible not history? I know I learn it in my World History class and I go to a public school...

the historical validity of the Bible has been disproven in regards to the biblical flood and Adam & Eve. wait a second.. they teach World History from the bible in a public school? ah jeez, i just now realized you're 15.

nvm.

"Im sorry, but I believe everything said in the Bible is historically acurate. It is real, and has happened...unless you are talkin about Revelation which is a prediction of what will happen...Since when is the Bible not history? I know I learn it in my World History class and I go to a public school..."

no, if your public school is teaching stories from the bible in a history class that school needs to be shut down immediately.



"As I said before please DO NOT twist my words. Where in any of my BIBLICAL proof did I say that we go and rape the world. That doesn't even make any sense."

you just said God let's us do what we want with the world; and since people do rape the natural world, it would seem people follow your example of "what God allows us".

OK, well then I think I can safely say, that BIBLICALLY (remember this is a Christian site; Christians believe in the bible), according to the bible, we are above animals, we have dominion over them, and have free will over them. That doesn't mean we're going to just go out and kill them, just as a king doesn't kill his people whom he has dominion over. However if we wanted to, we're able to, because we have authority over the animals given us by God.
and for mpok1519, that may hold up for you, some times, however not in this case, why? because of how many times the same thing is written:



You should really read a bible for yourself sometime, and look at the context, of each section.

" However if we wanted to, we're able to, because we have authority over the animals given us by God"

that's an admittion of the fact God let's us rape the natural world if we wanted to since it is ours to do what we want, will, and how we see fit.

Admission edit

Now that you've made your peace, do you want to get back to the original debate, before the board gets canceled, because no one's talking about the title subject?

no one has asked any questions or made any claims against it recently. unless you want to bring up something, there's not really much to talk about.

are you in support, or opposed? *unsure*

oh i totally accept evolution.

Wrong thread.

hahaha leave it to me to make an elementary mistake!

i'm pro-choice.

Maybe it's time to lay-off the heroin?

haha or not have so many different threads open.

Call me crazy, but I don't see anything in those verses that reference aborting a fetus. So, I'm not sure how the above verses are about abortion.

There's a little logic involved.


A) These verses point to the fact that God recognizes life as beginning at conception.

B)If life begins before conception, the inherent worth and dignity of a person is held at conception.

C)If this is true, Abortion is murder.

Indeed there is.

I'm just curious as to what you would do in this situation:

Let's say Person 1 is diagnosed with a terminal illness in which they will need a kidney transplant. They look and look and look and cannot find a match. However, one day, they find Person 2 whose kidney could in fact save the life of Person 1. Person 2 is in no way related to Person 1 and does not even know them. But, Person 2 does not want to donate a kidney to Person 1.

Continuing on, let's say Persons 3 and 4, who have knowledge of the situation, one day knock Person 2 out and when Person 2 wakes up, he is in a hospital. He looks around and feels his back and there are tubes. He looks to his right and there is Person 1, who has tubes coming out of their back and is hooked up to Person 2.

The doctor looks at Person 2 and says "Person 2, it was so kind of you to volunteer to be hooked up to Person 1 for 9 months in order to sustain their life until we find a kidney donor."

Person 2 states "But doctor, I did not volunteer for this. I was knocked unconscious and put into this situation without my consent."

Person 2 decides to unhook the tubes from Person 1, which leads to the end of Person 1's life.

My question is did Person 2 murder Person 1?