Moved to "Christian Debates"

I think... that christian scream would suck... Screamo would not be considered "praise" or "worship" So i would say it woukld not really be considered of the lord. Sorry for the typos :/

But there's no reason for it to be considered not of the Lord.

A lot of things aren't mentioned in the bible, yet people try claiming they're wrong. Now doing that is what is wrong.

Screamo is "wrong" in that it's super loud, angry, and obnoxious.

Don't need scripture to back that up... my head throbbing after my brother forces me and my mom to listen to System of a Down's "BYOB" or their other crap in the car is proof enough

Merged the "Christian Screamo" music in here.

The only way we know how to "make God smile" is by looking into his word to see what he expects from us. I'm sure you are all familiar with the story of Nadab and Abihu in the O.T.. The strange things is, they might have thought that they were "making God smile" by offering up strange fire as the priest should...But they were killed by a strange fire because God was not pleased with it (Read Leviticus 10). God's gives us commands and we need to seek what they are.

I do not believe that God is pleased with anything that we do. Where would the line be drawn? Some may say that dancing for the lord is what makes him happy... Wouldn't that create lust in anothers mind?

There are very few passages in the N.T. that speak about how we sould worship in services and those are found in Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16.

Tell where we see N.T. examples of Instruments in our worship?

I would defend the idea that it is in appropriate to use instruments in our worhisp to God...

Side note: Whose to say how we use them? and what is to be played? Truthfully, i think we're letting our Christians belief be molded by the world instead of molding the world by the teachings in scriptures.

I like country christian music. Rascal Flatts is my favorite christian music artist.

I don't like contemporary Christian music at all really.

I do like hymns though but I rarely listen to them outside of church (which I don't really attend at the moment).

Josh.

I hate screamo music But I love black metal, doom metal and death metal, but just cause you don't hear the lyrcis does not mean it's demonic or wrong or not as spiritual as praise and worship music. I happen to be in a metal band and we are doing it for God I believe Worship music that is in our churches won't bring people to Jesus it's too boring.

Anger can sometimes be a good thing, Instead of being all lame and happy dappy, it's called intercession, most intercessors need warrior music not lame fall alseep music.
Like I said I hate screamo, But If you consider screamo to be wrong than probably metal is wrong in your eyes too, which I totally disagree with.
Well of course you can't get scriptural back up there is none! God made all music, and any music can honor God, it's where your heart is. And When I worship along to black metal I can feel God just as much as "worship"

Jars of Clay are by far my favourite Christian Band. I just find their music really excellent, diverse and most of all fresh.

I don't like Christian music. There was once a time when I tried.

I see nothing wrong with Contemporary. Some people didn't seem fit for Hymns and stuff. By far I don't think it matters. I think as long as the church is singing as a family..and is praising God while doing it..the music is fine.

That is just my opinion..but the Bible doesn't say that we must only worship in Hymns. Contemporary is also a great way of reaching out to teens. I know by experience that the hymns were nice but they didn't draw me into the worship service. The contemporary music does.

My favorite Christian bands are Casting Crowns and Hillsong United.

it's about substance not style. it depends on the heart of the person. an 80 year old can't praise God through hard rock music or Toby Mac, but a teenager could. on the other hand a teenager doesn't relate to stuffy music like the 80 year old would like. it's the heart not the music.

me, i like stories so i love country music. i love Mark Schultz, amazing story teller. i like hymns done with electric guitar and bass. like jars of clay's ill fly away, jason lavdiks come thou fount. selah does hymns really well. i like some toby mac, third day, casting crowns.

it drives me crazy that people debate this subject so much. it doesn't matter to the faith. there are bigger things we need to worry about.

doesn't matter. the BIble doesn't tell us to sing hymns. it says to praise God. so what does it matter what kind of music it is as long as our heart is praising GOd.

I beleive there should always be a place in our churches for hyms but they shouldn't rule out CCM either.

There isn't any verse in the bible that talks about worship service in church either.

What you have to be careful here, is making up rules that don't exist in the bible. There is no direction on how to properly have a worship service in church.

Worship is however, talked about in the bible in the context of giving him praise and thanksgiving. When you serve a king you worship them.

Music, politics that surround worship, and whether you sing hymns or modern day choruses don't mean a thing if your not worshiping God from the heart. It is all about him and not about anyone else. Change is good, bible talks about reaching from generation to generation, which means young to old and old to young. So in that context we ought to respect those who like hymns and those who like others. But bottom line, it really doesn't matter how you worship, just matters where it comes from. As worship leader and youth pastor that is something we strive for with our kids. In our main service we always play a Hymn mixed in with newer stuff. Even re do some old hymns in a new way.

Eddie Kirkland has great new blend of It is well with my soul.

i think everyone worships God with their own style. Who are we to say that everyone has to worship the same way? Some people prefer to worship using the old hymms, others CCM. Personally, I think both are worship and are equal in God's eyes. i think its just a preference thing and a comfort zone.

I'm currently wrestling with the idea of listening to Christian hardcore.. bands like August Burns Red, Becoming The Archetype, Oh Sleeper and Underoath are full of professing Christians and this is evident in (most of) what they sing or scream. But the sound is brutal and offensive to some, and you could argue that to use your voice in such a way to emit blood-curdling screams and growls is hardly honouring to the God that gave you it! In addition to this metal and heavy rock are generally regarded as the devil's music, and if i played my ABR albums to my younger cousin i'm pretty sure she would start to cry regardless of the fact that the band members are followers of Christ.

On the other hand, these bands make awesome music and there is nothing compromising or sinful about their lyrics. As a musician I feel I would be missing out if these guys weren't part of my CD collection, as they inspire me to be a better drummer/vocalist.

What do you think? (sorry if this has already been discussed, i've not read all previous posts as there are over 1000)

Sam

look, you guys are all probably gunna scold me for this, but i listen to bands like slayer, metallica, iron maiden, disturbed, godsmack etc..... and i'm a Christian. And let me tell you guys something from my experience in music NONE OF THEM ARE SATANIC. It's all shock value, a gimic if you will. Music to me is an art, even slayer is an art. Just because they talk about satan in they're songs doesn't make them satanic. I don't let my faith get in the way of what music or movies i watch and listen too. Now you guys fire away, scold me all you want, quote lyrics even, i'll explain all of them and prove that they're either symbolic of shock value. God Bless.

For me, it isn't just about music or lyrics. I believe that there's much more than music to just art, it has a psychological and even a spiritual power (eg. David playing the harp to placate Saul's demons). In Luke 11:23 Jesus says, “Anyone who isn’t with me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me" (NLT). If this is true and music is that powerful then why would anybody seriously interested in living for God choose to dwell on lyrics and music written and performed by those who do not know him? I'm not saying what you're listening to you will kill you or that you should never listen to another secular song, but we've gotta look at our priorities and feed on the right things if we want to grow in God.

Philippians 4:8 - "Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable - if anything is excellent or praiseworthy - think about such things"

Regardless of whether it's just 'art' or for 'shock value', I think the devil uses bands like the the ones you listed to keep our thoughts away from the things of God, and in most cases I don't even think the artists are aware of it. It kind of sucks because most of them are great musicians, but the way I see it I would rather miss out on listening to some cool metal band than missing out on God's plans and purposes, and you can call me OTT but at the end of the day which is more important?

Ok first have you ever read any hardcore band lyrics... yah didnt think so, and dont give me that "i shouldnt have to read the lyrics, they just shouldnt scream" stuff ok. And if your arguement is "Screamo would not be considered "praise" or "worship" So i would say it woukld not really be considered of the lord" then dude i hope you hate Rap too, along w/ rock and metal and teckno ect. cause man hate to break it to ya but... thats not "Praise and Worship" either (at least acording to you). man i hate having to explain this to every close-minded christian i come across so read carefully, ITS NOT THE STYLE OF MUSIC, ITS THE MESSAGE AND LYRICS THAT GO W/ THE MUSIC!!! if you would read some of the lyric i garentee that it would bring a tear to you eye. you cant say its not of the lord when that not your place to say such things, these people are ministring to more people... lost people than you will ever meet in your life time.

Hey man, Your right about all that matters is that it honors God....but you have to consider CAN this honor God. Take for example the Band DOGS of PRAY. [MOD EDIT] I have no idea how these people can be honoring God with their "music". I find that CCM tends to sound to much like to world to me. As the bible says we are in the world BUT not OF the world. There has to be a clear difference in our music and the worlds. If people are tired with the "Old Hymns" all they have to do is open their eyes and realize that there are new ones coming out. Now, that doesnt mean we just have to listen to Hymns and such. There are other styles of music which are appropriate to listen to. If you try to change those styles into "christian" styles there is something wrong with that.




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Actually....in the OT in Exodus....God gave some rather specific orders on how to worship Him. I know that we are not under the Old Testament law. Now, of course we are not bound to the Old Testament law, BUT the way they were instructed to worship was different then the other nations. Other nations always had many gods and offered many random and impure offerings (such as human sacrifices). Our way of worship should be different of the world. We are suppose to reach generation to generation....but we are to be not of the world. The argument of using newer and more pumped up music to reach teens for Christ can be translated into the same argument of passing out weed with a bible. I guarantee you that you would have many people accept the second gift. Of course teens will respond to their music, but thats the point...they are responding to the music .... not the words.

This post has been edited by Just Another Follower: Mar 10 2010, 09:34 PM