Thank you. I was hoping someone would put something like that on. Although, I still think we should legalise it for medical purposes.

(QUOTE) Also, no one wil ldie from smoking weed. (QUOTE)

Umm... why is it illegal then? I always thought that the reason was that people die from it.

(QUOTE) Like that hasn't happen already with cigarettes. Deaths from Smoking: 440,000 annual deaths each year are smoking-associated (CDC) (QUOTE)

Either I'm not getting what you're saying or you're terribly messed up in your thinking bud. Why does it matter that cigarettes cause more deaths than marijuana? That just means that America has two problems that it needs to deal with instead of one...

Alright, here we go.

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Marajuana is not addictive at all...

That is erronious- nothing is "not addictive at all" because anyone can become psychologically addicted to anything.

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According to recents tests caffiene is more addictive than weed.

Now you are contradicting yourself by saying that marijuana is addictive.

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Take this from me, its not addictive. Iv been smoking it since I was 14, I'm now 19 & I can smoke it when i feel like it & I can go 6mts without feeling like I need it.

But you're trying to justify your own illegal behavior.

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Wedd causes no more harm than tobacco, so if you smoke anyway weed wouldnt really make a difference.

Marijuana causes much much more harm than tobacco, both physically and psychologically.

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however, if its bad quality it's sometimes mixed with other drugs that can be addictive.

And how do you know the "quality" of your drug, unless you smoke it?

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The only way it can be addictive is if the smoker thinks it is, if he convinces himself that it is, but in no way will anyones body possibly crave for more, becase it simply is not addictive to the body.

The human mind has an incredibly strong hold over the body. If your subconscious thinks that you're addicted, then your body will act like it.

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It is impossible for the body to crave it, only possible for the mind to crave it but thats all down to the smoker & if he thinks it is or not.

I beg to differ.

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Go on, arue with thousdands of scientists & the people that actually smoke it.

The people that actually smoke it are still smoking it.

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Also, no one wil ldie from smoking weed.

Of course, that doesn't take into account the number of people who have died because their dealer sold them some "bad weed." That doesn't take into account the number of cases of lung cancer, emphysema, and other complications. It doesn't take into account the number of people who have died while high, because they thought that they could fly, or because they attempted to drive. It doesn't take into account the number of people who have been murdered, because the murderer was under the influence of marijuana. It doesn't take into account the number of people who have been hurt by marijuana.

If marijuana is legalized, it will have the same socially destructive consequences that legalized opium had in this country. Men and women would abandon their families and go live in an opium house. No one wanted (or will want) a job, just another hit.

I'll quote one of my textbooks on the subject:

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A man familiar with the drug scene said, "Every junkie I ever met started with marijuana." The dangers of marijuana have been grossly underestimated. Although it is not a physically addictive drug, its users can become psychologically dependent upon it. It becomes what is called a "mind habit," meaning that users feel unable to cope with life without its help. People who use marijuana, more often than not, go on to try other drugs.

Marijuana introduces cancer-causing hydrocarbons into the lungs, adversely affecting the heart, the speach, and the memory, producing psychological problems, and soemtimes endagering the reproductive organs.

Marijuana affects a person's judgment. Soemtimes it may make a person feel invincible and superior, or fearful and irritable. Decision-making becomes difficult, especially saying no when the crowd says yes. For that reason, immorality is common among marijuana users.

The marijuana of today is not the same as that of the 1960s, when it became very popular in the United States. The THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) content of the marijuana varies a great deal, depending on where it is grown and the dealers who sell it. The most powerful marijuana goes to the big city markets and university cities, with small towns getting an inferior brand tht is often what the dealers call "trash." In order for the users of "trash" to experience a "high," the pushers soak it in a hallucinogen or spray a hallucinogen on it. Thus the users of "trash" are putting into their bodies other damaging chemicals as well as marijuana. There is no way of knowing wheter the marijuana is pure or filled with "trash." It is entirely in the hands of the unscrupulous dealer, who is out to make as much money as possible and willing to stoop to almost anything to do so.

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It has been said that alchohol is related to more deaths than marijuana, but no one becomes drunk after a single drink, wheras every time someone smokes marijuana, they become "high." The number of deaths per-capita is much higher than alchohol.

-Anonymous

This is what my old logic teacher said:
"Legalize it and then when people start dropping dead people will say 'Oh, I guess I shouldn't smoke any more or I'll end up like those people' ".

I agree with him. I'm not saying ANYBODY should use it or think it is right but I agree with him that once a lot of people start dieing people will most likely not use it.

That is my opinion.

James

P.S. I decided not to vote in this poll.

And you think the people that will die from it then will convince people to stop smoking it any more than the people dying now? No offense but for a logic teacher his statement doesnt seem too logical...

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QUOTE (audrey_ga_cowgirl @ Nov 7 2004, 04:52 PM) No. Whatever good it would do for medical purposes, it would do more harm. Most would become addicted to it. marijuana is non-addictive

thats a very, very common misconception that it isnt addictive, if it wasnt then why would people be smoking it so compulsively?

the USA should have followed singapore's example of harsh drug punishments, 90% of drug trafficking related offences result in the death penalty. harsh, but it keeps our streets safe.

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QUOTE Wedd causes no more harm than tobacco, so if you smoke anyway weed wouldnt really make a difference. I'm afraid your wrong. Even cigarettes have filters on them. Smoking marijuana is between four and seven times more harmful than smoking a cigarette. I'll post more on the subject later. -Anonymous

No,
Becuase generally hand rolling tobacco is mixed with weed, & handrolling tobacco is a lot less bad for you than cigarette tobacco.
Plsu not everyone smokes joints, you can smoke it from a pipe, a bong, a chillum, the list goes on.

Weed is a pure plant, not mixed with anything... no nasty chemicals or anything like that, tobacco has over 10,000 cancer causing chemicals in it, so how is weed worse for yu than weed?

QUOTE (mad max @ Nov 8 2004, 10:13 PM)

QUOTE (executive_bozo @ Nov 8 2004, 12:02 AM) QUOTE (audrey_ga_cowgirl @ Nov 7 2004, 04:52 PM) No. Whatever good it would do for medical purposes, it would do more harm. Most would become addicted to it. marijuana is non-addictive thats a very, very common misconception that it isnt addictive, if it wasnt then why would people be smoking it so compulsively? the USA should have followed singapore's example of harsh drug punishments, 90% of drug trafficking related offences result in the death penalty. harsh, but it keeps our streets safe.

Because people like to get stoned!!
Ok, if its so addictive... why dont I crave it? I've been smoking it for 5yrs & I have never, ever craved weed.
Stop listening to what you're told, listen to the people that really do know, the people that smoke it.

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No, Becuase generally hand rolling tobacco is mixed with weed, & handrolling tobacco is a lot less bad for you than cigarette tobacco.

Wrong. Cigarette tobacco is filtered, hand rolling tobacco gives you 100% of the carcinogenic substances.

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Weed is a pure plant, not mixed with anything...

So is tobacco for crying out loud!

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no nasty chemicals or anything like that,

Ever heard of THC?

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tobacco has over 10,000 cancer causing chemicals in it, so how is weed worse for yu than weed?

Marijuana has even more. At least there's a standard for tobacco.

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Ok, if its so addictive... why dont I crave it? I've been smoking it for 5yrs & I have never, ever craved weed.

You've been smoking it for five years. Why do you smoke it, then? We've already established that it is harmful to your body and your mind.

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Stop listening to what you're told

I think I'll start with the drug pushers.

-Anonymous

QUOTE (Anonymous @ Nov 8 2004, 05:48 PM)

Alright, here we go. QUOTE Marajuana is not addictive at all... That is erronious- nothing is "not addictive at all" because anyone can become psychologically addicted to anything. QUOTE According to recents tests caffiene is more addictive than weed. Now you are contradicting yourself by saying that marijuana is addictive. QUOTE Take this from me, its not addictive. Iv been smoking it since I was 14, I'm now 19 & I can smoke it when i feel like it & I can go 6mts without feeling like I need it. But you're trying to justify your own illegal behavior. QUOTE Wedd causes no more harm than tobacco, so if you smoke anyway weed wouldnt really make a difference. Marijuana causes much much more harm than tobacco, both physically and psychologically. QUOTE however, if its bad quality it's sometimes mixed with other drugs that can be addictive. And how do you know the "quality" of your drug, unless you smoke it? QUOTE The only way it can be addictive is if the smoker thinks it is, if he convinces himself that it is, but in no way will anyones body possibly crave for more, becase it simply is not addictive to the body. The human mind has an incredibly strong hold over the body. If your subconscious thinks that you're addicted, then your body will act like it. QUOTE It is impossible for the body to crave it, only possible for the mind to crave it but thats all down to the smoker & if he thinks it is or not. I beg to differ. QUOTE Go on, arue with thousdands of scientists & the people that actually smoke it. The people that actually smoke it are still smoking it. QUOTE Also, no one wil ldie from smoking weed. Of course, that doesn't take into account the number of people who have died because their dealer sold them some "bad weed." That doesn't take into account the number of cases of lung cancer, emphysema, and other complications. It doesn't take into account the number of people who have died while high, because they thought that they could fly, or because they attempted to drive. It doesn't take into account the number of people who have been murdered, because the murderer was under the influence of marijuana. It doesn't take into account the number of people who have been hurt by marijuana. If marijuana is legalized, it will have the same socially destructive consequences that legalized opium had in this country. Men and women would abandon their families and go live in an opium house. No one wanted (or will want) a job, just another hit. I'll quote one of my textbooks on the subject: ----- A man familiar with the drug scene said, "Every junkie I ever met started with marijuana." The dangers of marijuana have been grossly underestimated. Although it is not a physically addictive drug, its users can become psychologically dependent upon it. It becomes what is called a "mind habit," meaning that users feel unable to cope with life without its help. People who use marijuana, more often than not, go on to try other drugs. Marijuana introduces cancer-causing hydrocarbons into the lungs, adversely affecting the heart, the speach, and the memory, producing psychological problems, and soemtimes endagering the reproductive organs. Marijuana affects a person's judgment. Soemtimes it may make a person feel invincible and superior, or fearful and irritable. Decision-making becomes difficult, especially saying no when the crowd says yes. For that reason, immorality is common among marijuana users. The marijuana of today is not the same as that of the 1960s, when it became very popular in the United States. The THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) content of the marijuana varies a great deal, depending on where it is grown and the dealers who sell it. The most powerful marijuana goes to the big city markets and university cities, with small towns getting an inferior brand tht is often what the dealers call "trash." In order for the users of "trash" to experience a "high," the pushers soak it in a hallucinogen or spray a hallucinogen on it. Thus the users of "trash" are putting into their bodies other damaging chemicals as well as marijuana. There is no way of knowing wheter the marijuana is pure or filled with "trash." It is entirely in the hands of the unscrupulous dealer, who is out to make as much money as possible and willing to stoop to almost anything to do so. ----- It has been said that alchohol is related to more deaths than marijuana, but no one becomes drunk after a single drink, wheras every time someone smokes marijuana, they become "high." The number of deaths per-capita is much higher than alchohol. -Anonymous

The point im trying to make about the caffiene comment is that caffiene is hardly addictive, it would take many many years of heavy coffee drinking to be addicted to it. So its hardly worth mentioning if its less addictive than caffiene.
No, im not trying to justify anything, I dont feel like I need to justify, I care not if what im doing is illegal, here in the UK if im caught with it the cops may take it off me & thats it. I've been cuaght red handed rolling a joint & the cops walked by & said "hi guys", not a thing, because they know nothing will stop me from smoking it.

You can tell the quality of the drug from the smell, the texture & the look of it. many of my friends often test it in a mini lab they have just in case its mixed with something. its easy to tell if its good quality or not.

yes, the people that smoke it are still smoking it, because it feels good when we're stoned!! What reason ahve we got to stop smoking it??

Also, no one has killed anyone from smoking weed! A stoned person wouldnt even be bothered to get off his seat never mind kill someone! When you're stoned you're more likely to give someone a hug than be nasty to them!

Your text book notes come accross in saying basically, that weed is only bad for you because people go on to try more drugs.

Are you serious that people will ditch their families to go live in opium hut like places!? tell me... why havnt i got rid of everything to go live in an opium hut... why exactly do every single one of my friends smoke weed & they dont have a bad life, we all work 9-5 jobs, go to the movies, go out with our friends & have no need for weed, but merely a want for it. I cant believe you're comparing it to opium, they're nothing like each other.

Just answer this 1 question for me: Why am i living a normal life, working 9-5 & all the rest of it, & have no addiction to weed if i smoke it?? Please tell me

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QUOTE According to recents tests caffiene is more addictive than weed. Now you are contradicting yourself by saying that marijuana is addictive.

How is that logically flowing?

Just because B is more addictive than B. doesnt necessarily mean A is addictive at all.

For example.

Orange juice taste more sour than sugar. THis is becuase surgar isn't sour. It's just another way of phrasing that orange juice is sour and surgar isn't.

Techincally, it IS more sour than sugar


Other example. Drinking liquid led is more dangerous than drinking water. Water is harmless, therefore, since drinking led is harmful, A is worse than B.

Good point, although people have died of overhydration.

-Anonymous

What's overhydration got to do with smoking weed?

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What's overhydration got to do with smoking weed?

It doesn't, at least, not directly. It was in response to the below quote:

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Other example. Drinking liquid led is more dangerous than drinking water. Water is harmless, therefore, since drinking led is harmful, A is worse than B.

-Anonymous

yea, i have heard of overhydration. I saw in the news how a family pumped water down it's daugher's throat untill she died.

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yea, i have heard of overhydration. I saw in the news how a family pumped water down it's daugher's throat untill she died.

It's also happened in the military; recruits and drill seargents are so afraid of men being dehydrated that they end up overhydrated. But we're starting to get off topic.

-Anonymous

Yeah, so answer my question
Why am i not in ruins & living in an opium hut or addicted to weed?

A ) Britain has a very different perspective on the drug issue than America, therefore, you are much more likely to be hired by an employer (that knows you smoke/smoked marijuana).

B ) The effects of drug use are not always immediate.

C ) I never said that marijuana was uber-addictive, I only said that it is quite easy for someone to become psychologically addicted.

D ) You may not have the same problems that lead many people to addiction, or you may handle them differently.

E ) Your body will still carry the effects of smoking marijuana for years to come.

F ) You have stated that you are not a habitual smoker, therefore it's not likely that you will become addicted.

G ) You said that you get high "because it feels good" - most addicts use it as an escape.

H ) It is still possible for the aforementioned problems to occur.

I ) Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell...

-Anonymous

QUOTE (Anonymous @ Nov 9 2004, 12:16 AM)

A ) Britain has a very different perspective on the drug issue than America, therefore, you are much more likely to be hired by an employer (that knows you smoke/smoked marijuana). B ) The effects of drug use are not always immediate. C ) I never said that marijuana was uber-addictive, I only said that it is quite easy for someone to become psychologically addicted. D ) You may not have the same problems that lead many people to addiction, or you may handle them differently. E ) Your body will still carry the effects of smoking marijuana for years to come. F ) You have stated that you are not a habitual smoker, therefore it's not likely that you will become addicted. G ) You said that you get high "because it feels good" - most addicts use it as an escape. H ) It is still possible for the aforementioned problems to occur. I ) Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell... -Anonymous

Yes, it is very different here, & chances are that the employer smokes it as well lol.
Most people in this country smoke it, even my mother smokes the stuff!
Time will tell? So iv been smokign it for 5yrs, i think its pretty unlikely that i will be addicted.
Its true that smoking weeddoes lead to other drugs, I have tried many drugs, but i am careful i always do research into a drug before taking them... no drug at all has done me any harm.
The only problems weed causes are policing time, if it became legal then police time & money would be better spent on fighting rwal crime with real problems
Ever since weed got downgraded here from class B drug to Class C more ciminlas have been arrested, its freed up more police time. Class C drug is includes illegally sold anti depresants & painkillers with out a perscription. if UK has no problem with Weed i dont see how the US has a problem, after all, it is the same plant

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Most people in this country smoke it, even my mother smokes the stuff!

Even if something has been culturally accepted, doesn't mean it's right. Look at nearly every Arab nation in the Middle East!

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Time will tell? So iv been smokign it for 5yrs, i think its pretty unlikely that i will be addicted.

There are still side effects from using any drug. Most, are insidious and don't show up right away.

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Its true that smoking weeddoes lead to other drugs, I have tried many drugs, but i am careful i always do research into a drug before taking them...

Most people aren't. Most drugs are more addictive than marijuana. So, let's say you never have "craved" marijuana, who's to say you won't become addicted to something else?

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if UK has no problem with Weed i dont see how the US has a problem, after all, it is the same plant

Same plant, different country, different government, different people, different values.

-Anonymous

i know I wont become addicted to toehr drugs because I dont take addictive drugs...
Speed for example, its not addictive & it doesnt cause any harm, its even in diet pills because it makes you not crave food.
Even if i did get addicted to a drug i have the strength to stop, my friends sniff coke, thats meant to be highly addictive, but they can stop & start when they please, it causes no problems in their lives.

QUOTE (Black Goddess @ Nov 8 2004, 10:17 PM)

QUOTE (mad max @ Nov 8 2004, 10:13 PM) QUOTE (executive_bozo @ Nov 8 2004, 12:02 AM) QUOTE (audrey_ga_cowgirl @ Nov 7 2004, 04:52 PM) No. Whatever good it would do for medical purposes, it would do more harm. Most would become addicted to it. marijuana is non-addictive thats a very, very common misconception that it isnt addictive, if it wasnt then why would people be smoking it so compulsively? the USA should have followed singapore's example of harsh drug punishments, 90% of drug trafficking related offences result in the death penalty. harsh, but it keeps our streets safe. Because people like to get stoned!! Ok, if its so addictive... why dont I crave it? I've been smoking it for 5yrs & I have never, ever craved weed. Stop listening to what you're told, listen to the people that really do know, the people that smoke it.

well, be that as it may, why do drugs? how does it benefit you?

Ok, personally I smoke weed because I like the effects it has on my body, I like the feeling of relaxation & i like giggling at random objects.
I take speed so it keeps me awake, like if iv been to a gig in another town, i take it to avoid falling asleep so i can have more fun. You cant have fun sleeping now can you?
Any other questions?