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CTF Official Drugs, Smoking & Alcohol Debate, Time to clear the air.
Kandi Sunshine
post Sep 21 2009, 08:34 PM
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I think its effects as a depressant really can harm while driving though. Personal experience, just saying; no injuries but a trippy experience.


Trippy? Weird. My dad would always tell me I'd be a BETTER driver if I smoked weed because it makes me overly cautious of everything around me lol.
But my dad's like a major pothead who still sometimes buys weed off of my sister and I. :p

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Legalizing drugs = bad idea.
Why? well because look at what we already have that's legal, drinking alcohol.
Alcohol causes people to become delusional and do stupid things like drink and drive, which kills people.
They may go to jail, but that doesn't take back what they've done.
Therefore, I think that legalizing any drug that can effect your judgement is bad. Especially because it can put other people's lives at risk if you're driving while you're high on whatever it is that you're on.
It just screams bad idea to me.
If Marajuana were to be legal for medical reasons ONLY, meaning it wouldn't be availible to anyone without a prescription for a valid reason, that would be fine, but legalizing simply so that people can get high without having to worry about getting caught is a stupid idea.
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post Sep 22 2009, 03:44 PM
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All you have to do to get a pot prescription is say you're depressed. Even recreational smokers could outwit the system to fit in the loophole.
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post Sep 23 2009, 02:00 PM
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All you have to do to get a pot prescription is say you're depressed. Even recreational smokers could outwit the system to fit in the loophole.

Well, what I meant was that I think it should only be legal when it comes to treating cancer patients.
Nobody else.
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post Sep 25 2009, 01:47 AM
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The only reason why pot is illegal is because smoking companies are holding the market.

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post Sep 26 2009, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE (JoshuaPopper @ Sep 25 2009, 02:47 AM) *
The only reason why pot is illegal is because smoking companies are holding the market.

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It's not so much the smoking companies- after all, they don't make the drug laws. What would happen is the government would tax it to high heavens, and you couldn't grow it yourself. Same way you can't grow your own tobacco. That's the government for ya. If they can't have a piece of the profit then it's out of the question!

One of the reasons it first went illegal was because there was a bunch of Mexican immigrants coming into the country. This was back when pot was legal and everyoneeee was smoking it, so most of them had their own Mexican pot that they were going to sell. Racism was also big back then so they decided if they made pot illegal, they could send 90% of those Mexican immigrants home.
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post Sep 26 2009, 02:09 PM
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Yes: most illegal drug laws have their roots in racism hatred and xenophobia.
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QUOTE (horsesforlife @ Sep 22 2009, 03:08 PM) *
Legalizing drugs = bad idea.
Why? well because look at what we already have that's legal, drinking alcohol.
Alcohol causes people to become delusional and do stupid things like drink and drive, which kills people.
They may go to jail, but that doesn't take back what they've done.
Therefore, I think that legalizing any drug that can effect your judgement is bad. Especially because it can put other people's lives at risk if you're driving while you're high on whatever it is that you're on.
It just screams bad idea to me.
If Marajuana were to be legal for medical reasons ONLY, meaning it wouldn't be availible to anyone without a prescription for a valid reason, that would be fine, but legalizing simply so that people can get high without having to worry about getting caught is a stupid idea.


Ever hear of prohibition? Me neither.
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post Sep 29 2009, 09:16 AM
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The economy is in the toilet, legalizing and taxing Marijuana would create so much cash it wouldn't even be funny. An entirely new industry is created and there are almost no negative side effects to the drug. Have you ever met a violent pothead?
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QUOTE (Ew2ng @ Sep 30 2009, 12:16 AM) *
The economy is in the toilet, legalizing and taxing Marijuana would create so much cash it wouldn't even be funny. An entirely new industry is created and there are almost no negative side effects to the drug. Have you ever met a violent pothead?


People tend to overestimate just how much cash would be generated by legalizing it. I admit that it would be a decent sum, but nowhere near enough to do much damage to America's national debt.

Also, the negative side effects of marijuana tend to be downplayed. Over time, it can cause memory loss and psychosis.
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post Sep 29 2009, 10:01 PM
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QUOTE (Daryan @ Sep 30 2009, 12:34 PM) *
Also, the negative side effects of marijuana tend to be downplayed. Over time, it can cause memory loss and psychosis.

So does alcohol and we still beat our heads with bottles of vodka every single other night. smile.gif

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QUOTE (Daryan @ Sep 29 2009, 10:34 PM) *
People tend to overestimate just how much cash would be generated by legalizing it. I admit that it would be a decent sum, but nowhere near enough to do much damage to America's national debt.

Also, the negative side effects of marijuana tend to be downplayed. Over time, it can cause memory loss and psychosis.


Regardless, it's still a revenue source and as long as tobacco is legal, I fail to see why marijuana isn't. Oh wait, it's because the tobacco companies have their hands in the pockets of the politicians and don't want their drug to be irrelevant.
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there's absolutely nothing wrong with doing drugs as long as you're not hurting anyone else.

i think drugs are incredible, and i've had some of the worst trips ever. stuff like marijuana, salvia, hawaiian woodrose seeds, and LSD... they really do open your mind and make you realize things about existence that you couldn't have possibly comprehended before. you start to truly realize that existence is composed of an infinite amount of perspectives and you're actually capable of understanding and experiencing those perspectives. it's quite enlightening and humbling. they actually do something for you.. if you reflect on the experience i suppose. some pot heads don't learn anything.
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Manade phaacutocals are way more dangerous than marijuana use.
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Drugs should be decriminalized and not legalized reasons:

-Pot is already known to be less dangerous to society than alcohol
- In portugal and the netherlands, decriminalization of drugs reduced; crime waves relating to drugs,HIV/AIDS, low prison populations, very low individuals addicted to drugs, and overall a better education on drugs.
- Due to the supply being available, many organized crime groups would go bust as in the case of the hells angels in the netherlands having the lowest number of criminals in the organization worldwide due to economic factors.
-Better education of drugs as individuals would become desenstized especially youth in narcotics, like they are in alcohol.
- Money originally spent on locking up people for drug posession may go towards education, and providing indiviuals in lower income neighbourhoods originally plagued by gangs who profitted from drugs education and money for post secondary to improve their lives.

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QUOTE (Insurgent89 @ Oct 20 2009, 08:41 PM) *
Drugs should be decriminalized and not legalized reasons:

-Pot is already known to be less dangerous to society than alcohol
- In portugal and the netherlands, decriminalization of drugs reduced; crime waves relating to drugs,HIV/AIDS, low prison populations, very low individuals addicted to drugs, and overall a better education on drugs.
- Due to the supply being available, many organized crime groups would go bust as in the case of the hells angels in the netherlands having the lowest number of criminals in the organization worldwide due to economic factors.
-Better education of drugs as individuals would become desenstized especially youth in narcotics, like they are in alcohol.
- Money originally spent on locking up people for drug posession may go towards education, and providing indiviuals in lower income neighbourhoods originally plagued by gangs who profitted from drugs education and money for post secondary to improve their lives.


i absolutely agree.
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post Oct 28 2009, 05:41 AM
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There is no logical reason why one would be putting posion in their bodies (except Medical)
Therefore, all arguments for drugs are going to be based on fallacies
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post Oct 28 2009, 02:24 PM
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Everyday there are people who are prescribed drugs by their doctor which are harmful; no one got pulminary embolism from pot.

Marijuana has been considered medicine ever since it's discovery thousands of years ago.
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I come from a pretty open country where soft drugs are socially accepted and I've used alot of drugs for a few years. The problem with drugs is that when you get addicted to them so easily. You think you are not but because using drugs becomes a habbit you just think of it as normal and before you know it you are using it every day and more and more. Because most of the drugs is black market(or whatever you want to call it) you get contacts with people who don't care about you only about your money and the drugs start to control you as you just think of it as normal using. Your life style starts to adapt to using drugs. Basically it messes up the normal the healthy way of daily things that you because at a certain point all you care about is getting high or stoned or wasted again and you could care less about anything else. And in the end it gets you now where, it doesn't help you in the future. That's as best as I can explain it.
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QUOTE (horsesforlife @ Sep 22 2009, 02:08 PM) *
Legalizing drugs = bad idea.
Why? well because look at what we already have that's legal, drinking alcohol.
Alcohol causes people to become delusional and do stupid things like drink and drive, which kills people.
They may go to jail, but that doesn't take back what they've done.
Therefore, I think that legalizing any drug that can effect your judgement is bad. Especially because it can put other people's lives at risk if you're driving while you're high on whatever it is that you're on.
It just screams bad idea to me.
If Marajuana were to be legal for medical reasons ONLY, meaning it wouldn't be availible to anyone without a prescription for a valid reason, that would be fine, but legalizing simply so that people can get high without having to worry about getting caught is a stupid idea.


Your arguement seems to hinge on the assumption that prohibition actually works... it doesn't. The demand exists, and people will continue to use drugs whether we want them to or not. The difference is whether you prefer the supply to come through the black market where the criminals make all the money, or have the government control and regulate it so the funds can be put to some use. If I'm not mistaken (and someone correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not fully up on the subject atm) alcohol demand actually rose quite a bit during its prohibition, and I believe the same has been true for marijuana.

Of course the situation with the war on drugs is far more complicated than many seem to realize. I'm sure someone has mentioned this already, but I did not feel like reading through 100+ pages of posts: If you'd like an interesting perspective on the subject, check out a documentary called "The Union: The Business Behind Getting High." It's a great watch and seems to be pretty well-sourced. It deals mainly with marijuana but touches briefly on harder drugs in a few areas.
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QUOTE (Ew2ng @ Sep 29 2009, 09:16 AM) *
The economy is in the toilet,

On hindsight, we should have elected "Joe the Plumber" as our president.

QUOTE (Solja247 @ Oct 28 2009, 05:41 AM) *
There is no logical reason why one would be putting posion in their bodies (except Medical)
Therefore, all arguments for drugs are going to be based on fallacies

Certain drugs are not poisonous and could in fact be used for religious purposes.
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Lol yeah. What they were thinking givin that guy tv time I have no idea
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QUOTE (Solja247 @ Oct 28 2009, 06:41 AM) *
There is no logical reason why one would be putting posion in their bodies (except Medical)
Therefore, all arguments for drugs are going to be based on fallacies

putting poison in one's body is a logical reason if a person wants to experience the effects of the poison. not all drugs are poisonous.

it is logical to consume 300 mg of dextromethorphan if one wants to experience closed-eye hallucinations.
it is logical to smoke a bowl of weed if one wants to listen to music while stoned.
it is logical to consume 25 hawaiian baby woodrose seeds if one wants to experience psychedelic effects.
therefore, your argument is illogical.
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my nan has emphasemia
smoking is the devil
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QUOTE (hellayeah @ Nov 2 2009, 04:28 PM) *
my nan has emphasemia
smoking is the devil

My grandpa smoked for 80 years until he died of a car accident.

Smoking is a choice.
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