so... I never got this even as a christian. Where did the dinosaurs come into play? And how come they aren't ever mentioned in the bible?

They are. The term dinosaur wasn't invented until the 1800's. In Job chapter 40 and verse 15 the bible says:

¶ Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
The descripiton closely matches that of a Brachoisaurus.

I thought the dinosaurs just went extinct like any other animal. Why didn't the Bible mention the dodo bird? It's an extinct species

Have they gone extinct? The false evolution theory has everyone thinking dinosaurs are dead becasue they lived millions of years ago. Absolutely wrong! Dinosaurs were created along with Adam in the Garden of Eden. They were on the Ark too. (Thats a whole other debate.)
Have you ever heard of the Mokele-Mbembe monster in Africa? A long necked dinosaur!

well that thing hasn't proven yet. look at wooly mamoths. theyre extinct. just because an animal went extinct doesnt mean i don't believe God created them

There are more mentions of dinosaurs in the Bible. If I remember from a conference last year, before the word dinosaur was created, they were called dragons.

I didn't mean you in particular(sorry) How did the wooly mammoth die? Was it a cold climate creature? How did they freeze fast enough to freeze unchewed buttercups in their mouth and stomch?

huh?

I love this subject. there is so much that goes into this topic. I could spend days going over the facts abou tdinosaurs.

Despite what textbooks tend to show the wooly mammoth couldn't have been a cold climate creature. It has no sebacious glands along the hair folicles. Its hair would have frozen together.

so you think dinosaurs were created and lived among man and still live with us today?

Yes. Now there aren't dinosaurs running through L.A. However in the remote regions of the world I believe that there are dinosaurs still living. they are not the size that they once were due to climate and food changes but yes they are still alive in my belief, very few of them

ah it's not the craziest thing i've ever heard

I amen Chris he is exactly right! Have you heard of Kent Hovind?

Let me get some of my old sources together, and I'll see what I can pull up on the subject.

-Anonymous

Anonymous, someday you gotta tell us what your "old sources" are.

plz do.. i would like to see these "dinosaurs"

I would not make a claim without proper research or credible facts. I tell you what lets start off with the Genesis Flood. This is a key part in my belief.

Have any of you ever heard of the "Canopy Theory"?
It is the theory that there was a layer of water/ice/clouds(there is no way to be exactly sure what) above the earths atmosphere that protected the earth from the sun's harmful radiation and acted as a giant greenhouse.
Genesis 1:7 "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

There was water above and below the air. And in

Psalms 148:4 "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens."

This canopy would have had tremendous effects upon the earths atmosphere.It is believed that this canopy would double the atmospheric pressure. Has anyone ever heard of a Hyperbaric Chamber? It is used to treat divers for the Benz(sp) Its when they come up out of the water to fast and something happens to the blood with the gases I'm not exactly sure what though. Well they are treated by increasing the atmospheric pressure in the Chamber and forcing oxygen into their body which treats the Benz. It is has been found that Oxygen has tremendous healing powers. Well imagine if there was more oxygen. In amber(fossilized tree sap) samples found around the world the bubbles of air have been trapped in the sap have been found to contain 50% more oxygen then todays atmosphere. With more Oxygen and more pressure your blood stream would be saturated with Oxygen whixh means you could run for miles and not get tired. Because that burning you feel in your muscles when you run is acid that builds up on your muscles. Oxygen removes that acid. The main point I'm coming too is the dinosaurs. HYave you ever noticed the size of the nostrils on a Brachiosaurus? They are the size of a horses. How did he breath? He would need increased oxygen and pressure to live. His body would need alot of oxygen.

heheh my cousin goes to a church where the pastor preaches that a dinosaur never existed. The bones were only put here for fuel he says.

I've been to three conferences on this subject hosted by a guy named Buddy Davis. Maybe I'll try and find my notes.

Part 2

I believe that dinosaurs where on the Ark with Noah. And everyone says "They are too big!" Well the big ones were big. The little ones were little. God brought the animals to Noah and God knows that if you are going to bring animals on the Ark it makes more sense to bring young ones. For many reasons. Young kids are tough if they fall down they get back up and run again. Old ones fall down and break. Young ones sleep more and would live longer to produce more offspring which is why you are bringing them in the first place!

What caused the flood? I believ that it was a comet. There are several reasons for this.

1. The Wolly Mammoths were found frozen instantly every bit of their body. It would take extremely cold temperatures to cause this. comets are like 300 below zero

2. An astronomer had used ancient landmarks like the Pyramid, Stone henge and Myan temples that were built to the stars and has found that the earths rotation was very wobbly for the past 4000 years and has slowly settled down to our four seasons. The pattern is similar to an object striking a spinning top. If a spinninf top is struck it will wobble back and forth until it corrects itself at an angle. Just like the earth.

3. The moon is full of craters and water erosions marks. Well we know that there is none up there so how did it get there? I believe it was pieces of the comet that broke off as it got closer to the earth.

I believe that this comet broke apart as it got closer to the earth. Because of the inverse square law. A comet is like a giant snowball and at high speeds it will break aprt which is what I belive happened. The earth had a stronger magnetic field back then. Which we know because we have observed it getting weaker over the years. The stronger magnetice field would have pulled the fragments towards the poles of the earth creating our frozen caps. These fragments would have destroyed the canopy causing the rain for forty days. Well after the flood the canopy was gone. No more double pressure and no more extra oxygen. This climate change would have caused the death of many dinosaurs and man would later hunt and kill the dinosaurs which were then called dragons. This is why they are so rare. Plus dinosaurs would have adapted to their enviroment and over the years have become smaller. To the size of the Mokele-Mbembe. Which is about 20 feet long. If you do some research you can find some amazing things down in the jungles of Africa and the Amazon.

edited cuz i saw part 2 LOL

This post has been edited by BornAgainAthiest: Oct 25 2004, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 05:22 PM)

they are not the size that they once were due to climate and food changes but yes they are still alive in my belief, very few of them

You just stated Adaptation, Evolution.

Wrong. How many types of evolution are there?

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 06:02 PM)

What caused the flood? I believ that it was a comet. There are several reasons for this. 1. The Wolly Mammoths were found frozen instantly every bit of their body. It would take extremely cold temperatures to cause this. comets are like 300 below zero

Also, this cannot be. Yes a comet is colder than we can imagine, but no it would not freeze huge geographical areas in this manner. It would be violent, very violent, and coming through the atmosphere any major size it hand would be cuz way down. There would be far too much heat involved in it's entry into earth's atmosphere, and in it's smashing into the ground. Also, don't you think scientists who found the mammoth would notice a huge hole in the earth somewhere REAL close to where the mammoth was found?

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 06:27 PM)

Wrong. How many types of evolution are there?

One. You can cut it up how you like, but there is one. By definition all of them describe Evolving.

If you read what I posted. I do not believe it struck the earth full force but rather shattered and its pieces were pulled towards the poles.

And you have not answered my previous question