QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 06:35 PM)

If you read what I posted. I do not believe it struck the earth full force but rather shattered and its pieces were pulled towards the poles. And you have not answered my previous question

If the comet broke up it's even more plausible that it did not have the power to damage the earth in any knowable manner.

I was still creating my last post, have patience and try not to be so smug. WWJD?

Wrong again. To keep it simple You have two types of evolution.
Micro-Evolution: Minor changes involving the accumulation of variations below the species level. i.e.
Salt-water crocodile>fresh-water crocodile

Macro-Evolution: Evolution that results in large and complex changes.

A salt-water crocodile and a freshwater crocodile are still a crocodile. That is called adaptation of the species. It happens all the time humans do it. its the way God created us.

Now a Rock to a crocodile is not scientific. It is false. It has not been observed, ever!

QUOTE (Wooism @ Oct 26 2004, 12:38 AM)

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 06:35 PM) If you read what I posted. I do not believe it struck the earth full force but rather shattered and its pieces were pulled towards the poles. And you have not answered my previous question If the comet broke up it's even more plausible that it did not have the power to damage the earth in any knowable manner. I was still creating my last post, have patience and try not to be so smug. WWJD?

You are stretching what I have posted. These pieces were not snow flurry size. nor were they a giant comet. Besides they have found a crater of the coast of Northern England.

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 06:42 PM)

Wrong again. To keep it simple You have two types of evolution. Micro-Evolution: Minor changes involving the accumulation of variations below the species level. i.e. Salt-water crocodile>fresh-water crocodile Macro-Evolution: Evolution that results in large and complex changes. A salt-water crocodile and a freshwater crocodile are still a crocodile. That is called adaptation of the species. It happens all the time humans do it. its the way God created us. Now a Rock to a crocodile is not scientific. It is false. It has not been observed, ever!

You defend things I haven't even said. No wonder you like guns, you go way on the overkill w/ your offense and try to compensate for your fear that you could be wrong.

Again, Evolving = Evolution.

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 06:44 PM)

QUOTE (Wooism @ Oct 26 2004, 12:38 AM) QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 06:35 PM) If you read what I posted. I do not believe it struck the earth full force but rather shattered and its pieces were pulled towards the poles. And you have not answered my previous question If the comet broke up it's even more plausible that it did not have the power to damage the earth in any knowable manner. I was still creating my last post, have patience and try not to be so smug. WWJD? You are stretching what I have posted. These pieces were not snow flurry size. nor were they a giant comet. Besides they have found a crater of the coast of Northern England.

Ididn't say they were snow flurry size. They could have been caddillac size and still made no difference.

They found a crater off the coast of Northern England aaaaaaaaand... ?

No I'm am explaining what adaptation and evolution are. They are not the same. You did in fact mention that before. I am not afraid that I am wrong.

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 06:50 PM)

No I'm am explaining what adaptation and evolution are. They are not the same. You did in fact mention that before. I am not afraid that I am wrong.

Adaptation is change which is Evolving. Natural selection - evolving. You can break it down however you like, it's just a struggle to beleive what you really want to beleive, and to keep your faith justified at the same time.

Wrong again. You have not given any support except the repeating phrase that adaptation is evolution.

There is a limit to adaptation. You can only get an adaptation from building blocks that are already in the genetic code. You believe that we came from single-celled organisms that have evolved into humans. that is macro-evolution. Which is not scientific but rather a belief.

OK, guys, this is starting to get heated...

-Anonymous

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 07:00 PM)

Wrong again. You have not given any support except the repeating phrase that adaptation is evolution. There is a limit to adaptation. You can only get an adaptation from building blocks that are already in the genetic code. You believe that we came from single-celled organisms that have evolved into humans. that is macro-evolution. Which is not scientific but rather a belief.

I repeat because you ignore it's relevance.

You placing limits on adaptation is just as preposterous as me stating there are no limits. You cannot back up what you are saying either.

You act like it's insane to believe we came from a single cell, but you follow your emotions and call them Abba Father. You follow a creator with no evidence.

Ok if I give you a box of yellow legos. You can make quite a bit of different things. But they are yellow. You cannot make a blue lego tower with yellow legos. Its the same with the genetic code.

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 07:09 PM)

Ok if I give you a box of yellow legos. You can make quite a bit of different things. But they are yellow. You cannot make a blue lego tower with yellow legos. Its the same with the genetic code.

One single cell has DNA within it. And since you like to quote science so much, what happens when the DNA is split? There is ALWAYS a mutation. Every single time several mutations. Otherwise we would have children that were our twins, over and over again. So yes, we can then make a blue tower or yellow blocks.

a human DNA strand will only produce a different human DNA strand not a ducks' DNA. Yellow cannot make a blue tower

QUOTE (ChrisLeonard86 @ Oct 25 2004, 07:21 PM)

a human DNA strand will only produce a different human DNA strand not a ducks' DNA. Yellow cannot make a blue tower

Not in one split.. use your imagination, you bow down to it daily.

what does this have to do with dinosaurs?

QUOTE (executive_bozo @ Oct 25 2004, 09:07 PM)

what does this have to do with dinosaurs?

Start at the beginning, it all connects...

There is scientific evidence that the whole evolution theory contradicts itself. When I find the url again, I will post the document. I don't see how anybody could believe the complex structures of DNA just magically happened by itself. Also, calm it down a little bit guys.

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yeah can't we all just get along.. I picture a circle of thiests and athiest holding hands and singing... ummm... OH well nevermind.

like you guys have any more evidence than us

I was being nice. You don't have to act like a jerk. Topic closed. Consider this your only warning wooism.

So here is the break down.I don't mean to ruin your fun,this site seems like a pretty care free website.But sooner or later in your life you will have to face this.Better to sort out where you stand now.

Can Christians believe in evolution and still be saved?

Good question, Auron, but I think you're asking the wrong question. That's like asking if you can be a homosexual and still be saved. You salvation is not dependent on whether or not you believe in evoloution, but how and what you believe about Jesus Christ. Everything else will fall into line afterwards, but if you compromise your beliefs about Christ, or Christ's sacrifice on the cross, then you're salvation would be compromised too.

Theistic evoloution doesn't work, because man was made in the image of God. You either have to believe in God's creationism, or atheistic evoloutionism. Those that choose the "middle ground" are pretty much shunned by both sides of the debate. Those who believe in theistic evoloution, may not have been saved in the first place, however, because if we're just evolved monkeys, why does sin matter? And if sin doesn't matter, why do we need Christ's sacrifice?

Just my two cents.

-Anonymous

(lol you sound like me on christianforums.com)

Yes but on the middle grounds defence,They believe that God,used evolution to develop us on earth.

Ahh i miss the atheist debates.

Seeing as in the bible,they say that there is a brief pause in the Creation,the point he allowed Humans to evolve.So it brings me back to my question:

Can you believe in evolution and truly be saved?
but just to help you along,here are a few easier debates.

They believe that The Creation of man in the Dirt was a metaphor,that there was no garden of Eden,That that was all a metaphor to illistrate mans sin.Those are just a few of their beliefs.

This post has been edited by Auron: Oct 28 2004, 11:46 AM

Then do they really believe in the same God? It doesn't sound like it. From what you're saying, they're starting to sound like they [theisitic evoloutionists] belong in the same category as Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses.

-Anonymous

THe Believe,theybelieve in the virgin birth,the crucification.It's just the first part that worries me.I know they believe,but to their salvation,I am not sure.Which is why I brought ythis question here.just looking for some insight.