I think the scientific community at large has already validated that global warming is happening. The causes vary and span a wide range of areas, moreso than could be covered in a single debate/discussion. Humans are largely at fault, more so because of the sin in the world then anything (causing everything to naturally degenerate). We have however caused global warming to drastically speed up, especially in the last century.

The Industrial Revolution?

global warming it a bunch of nonsense.

yes the earth is warming up and the ozone layer is thinning but it isnt because of us. its because of the sun. the solar flares, the solar wing, explosions on the sun. that what causes the global warming and the holes in the ozone layer. (take an astronomy class its explained better in there.)

i do believe global warming is a subject that i really do not care much about, because i am not convinced. Actually, my uncle, did a sermon on 'global warming' and he kinda owned.. he completely convinced everyone that global warming isn't real by using the bible. Oh.. and uhm.. plus.. a friend and I did a project about Global warming, and used other facts, that prove that it isnt to concern about.

Wouldn't it be safer to at least assume the worst and recieve the best rather than assume nothing and recieve the worst?

Whether global warming is true or not, I still believe it is very valid to try and be the best inhabitants of the Earth we can be.



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It hasn't killed us already because it's an exponential process, and is still in the beginning phases. And it just started because man hasn't been an enormous cause of carbon emissions for very long.


That's how you start a debate, sir. I don't do any arguing until I have something to argue against.


Interesting, solar flares suddenly started happening at the same time as the industrial revolution broke out, and goes hand-in-hand with rising levels of carbon emissions.


Uh... the Bible can't disprove global warming. You can't look at something that's proven to be happening in the world, interpret a non-related ancient text the way you feel like, and decide you're right.

This post has been edited by The Reincarnate: May 15 2007, 06:38 PM

I can't believe that spewing carbon dioxide is the 'only' cause of global warming. It's been proven that the earth is slowly moving closer to the sun. There was a place down near Antarctic (sorry for not being more precise) that was a huge ice mass, and then like 8 years later it had completely disappeared into the ocean. What happened? I'd say that's global warming, but as there are no cars in (or very few) Antarctica, what caused it?

This post has been edited by Let my life song sing: May 15 2007, 08:26 PM

Proven by whom?

Carbon dioxide spreads all around the globe, so despite the fact that the arctic has no cars, its still affected by global warming.

Global warming...


is caused by the sun.

well, for starters, global warming isn't in the bible.. or is it? .. as for as i know, it isnt.

i think we need to worry about the end of times, or judgement day before we start worrying about the a subject like global warming.

wwjd? would he concern of global warming, or take care of the real people in need, such as all of africa?!

if global warming does happen, then that just kinda proves that a second coming will never happen, or isnt true at all..
"we can prevent global warming by using one toilet paper square" .. hey if that is what you want to do.. hahah, then at least i know im cleaner

Neither were WWI, WWII or the fact that George Bush won the election.

That doesn't change the fact that they did.

Okay... anybody who knows anything about global warming knows that it doesn't just take place where there are a lot of cars. As carbon goes into the atmosphere, it spreads out, because it's a gas. It then traps the sun's heat in the atmosphere, and that heat is naturally going to be more drastic in colder areas, like Antarctica.

And I know carbon dioxide isn't the only cause. There are also chlorofluorocarbons and other gases.



And why would we worry about the end times? If there's a rapture, we're not going to be here anyway. I think we need to worry about problems that are happening now rather than twiddling our thumbs and doing nothing because Jesus is coming back at some indefinite point in time.

And yes, helping Africa is a good thing. However... I'd set saving the world a bit higher on my list of priorities.

I believe that Jesus would have us look after the planet we're supposed to be looking after although you make a brilliant point. The cost of providing clean water, food and sanitation to those who do not have it is miniscule next to the cost governments have put on preventing global warming (read up on Kyoto)
That said, helping poor people and lowering greenhouse gas emmissions are not mutually exclusive. We can do both.


Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) damage the ozone layer by reacting with ozone (O3) which thins this layer, allowing more harmful solar rays through (UV). I don't think the ozone layer is related to the greenhouse effect though. You notice that the Wikipedia article on the Ozone Layer doesn't mention global warming.
That said CO2 isn't the only cause but it is the greenhouse gas that we produce in the greatest volumes.

that's silly, 'cause, you said .. the theory of global warming to actually be a fact, it would take a lot of time right?!?!

well, as far as the end of times, we never know when it will happen.. so i think THAT is a top of my list, AND Living for Jesus are my TOP priorities.. unlike yours...
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well, hmm.. think about it.. if we havent helped out Africa much, you actually think we can save Earth?!?!

only about 25% of the Earth population donate to Africa, from food, clothes, vaccines, and so on.

If we can't even help out, in the slightest way, like.. donating a few dollars, that can help save nearly 5 children , then you 'global warming' believers need to help out Africa before you try to save our planet. But that's too bad.. because we all spend our money on stupid things; jewelry, rims on cars, ipods .. that kinda resembles how people are like these days.. They litter all over the place, do all that stuff that 'increases' "global warming" ..

but why should i care about global warming, really.. if we can't save ourselves.. if we can at least be at peace .. but oh well..

if global warming happens, then.. oh well, because no one, meaning a huge majority, will not help prevent it all happening because we will soon realize that we all have to help out, as a whole..

think about.. if Africa gets the help it needs, then we all can cooperate on so called, 'saving' the Earth..

This post has been edited by iamfilipino89: May 16 2007, 10:01 AM

Of course not. You just claim 'allllll the evidence' without citing any evidence or linking anywhere - you started the debate, but WE'RE the ones expected to start with evidence. It's like arguing, without all the hard parts for you, i.e. research, logic, etc.


Gimme a break. If you know anything about the topic, you know we haven't had detailed, scientific measurements of temperatures all across the globe for nearly long enough to make a claim like this.

The whole "all life on the planet dies" part will take a lot of time, but the earth is warming right now.

You've got a lot of nerve to say something like that. So suddenly because I care about the planet, it means Jesus isn't my top priority? Wow. I would consider myself done talking to you, but I enjoy shooting fish in a barrel.

We can live for Jesus and care about the planet at the same time. There's nothing we need to do to get ready for the end times, except stock up on food and buy guns.


I would never focus on one continent before the entire planet. That's just stupid. If there's no earth, there's no Africa at all. And the thing is, helping Africa requires money. Helping reduce greenhouse gases doesn't.


Of course, I started the debate from a neutral standpoint. Biased, but I wasn't arguing against anyone. Though I figured it didn't take a rocket scientist to acknowledge the fact that there is evidence.

Well, if you don't believe me, here ya go:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...al_warming.html


Actually, you're wrong. If you know anything about the topic, you know that by taking samples of different layers in ice sheets, we can determine the relative temperature of the earth each year for thousands of years into the past.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/Pal...ology_IceCores/

This post has been edited by The Reincarnate: May 16 2007, 07:31 PM

No, it's seem like global warming is in the bible. In the end times this is what John said regarding it:

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I doubt that man is responsible for it either because from what the verse says.
Not only that but we experienced the Ice age and the warming up of the Earth after the ice age independent of modern man. So the cooling and warming of the Earth during that time seemed to be part of a cycle.


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So your response to the global warming issue is to yell at people for not saving Africa? You know that a big reason why there are wars and famines in Africa is that there has been a decades long drought? And what affects rainfall? The climate. And what affects the climate? Global temperatures, which are rising on average at a drastic rate. See the cause and effect here?



By saying that you are implying that being concerned about the planet is somehow contradictory to a Christian life. Didn't God tell us to care for the Earth, and all its animals, that we have dominion over them? We are the planet's stewards, and we need to take care of it. We can't be like Nero fiddling while Rome burns just because we a) assume Jesus will come and straighten everything out or b)just not care because some vague Bible verses suggest the Earth doesn't change, in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Saying something got hot doesn't mean it's referring to global warming.

haha that kinda proves my point a little bit. WE, in general, havent don't crap to HELP africa.. in anyway.. you think if as people, we can save the planet.. idk..



Sure he said we must take care of 'earth'... but are we really?!?! nope.. are we trying to? sure, but not even close..





there's something where we both can agree on heheh

It'd be terribly difficult to save Africa. It's engulfed in tribal conflicts, people are killing each other everywhere, a huge chunk of the population has HIV, half of it is starving, etc. Well, you can't intervene and stop all of those civil wars. there's no cure for HIV, if there was it'd be too expensive to supply it for everyone, and we don't have enough food to spare for everyone.

However, if we want to stop global warming, all we have to do is reduce emissions. It should be easy.

so how else would you call if the globe is warming?
What I referred to seem to be a global warming to me.
When the heat goes up around the world it means a warming up in the temperature globally.

All that sight has is evidence the earth is warming, not that warming is human caused. Actually, in several places it specifically mentions cyclical warming, which is a fairly good argument against human-caused warming.


This is only for the places that have deep ice sheets. It's not enough to give a thorough, methodical study of temperatures all around the globe.


I hope this statement was meant as a joke, because I find it rather humorous either way...reducing emissions is anything but easy.

Reducing emissions without crashing major economies and curtailing certain rights (particularly with respect to travel) would be very hard. This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done, just that it shouldn't be trivialised.

And no, it would not be easy to "save" Africa. I don't see this as a reason not to try harder.

very true on their civil war, it is horrific. But, children in Africa deserve to have a life like we do. $2 freakin dollars can save 5 children, or just people. If everyone on the planet can donate $2 to help out Africa, Africa can be on a better side.



no one said saving Africa would be easy. No one said general life will be easy. But we try harder to live life, right? why not do the same with Africa. They deserve to life like us, with all the food, technology, and so on.

Africa kinda applies to global warming. From temperatures and climate conditions, Africa needs us, as christians, as people. If everyone puts a little effort to help, i am pretty sure the 'rebels' aka RAF will be dismembered. I think instead of the US targeting Iraq, we need to help people that actually do need help.. people are soo heartless these days.

If everyone, puts a little effort into helping the planet to prevent global warming, (which i am still on the fence about) the planet can be saved, but it will not be easy...NOTHING is easy, everything we do, we put even the smallest effort to make it happen.