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CTF Official Homosexuality Debate, A heterogenous discussion |
 Oct 19 2004, 09:17 AM
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Oct 19 2004, 10:44 AM
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 Liberty, America, and Taco Bell Group: Gentryman Posts: 2,070 Joined: 18-January 04 From: Bristol, VA Member No.: 150 Gender : Male |
Homosexuality is wrong, there's no if's and but's about it. To be honest, I think, if you're gay but you say you're a Christian, you are definately contradicting yourself. Either youv'e never gotten saved or you're just a wierd person. God didn't create anybody in mind to be "gay."
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Oct 19 2004, 10:50 AM
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i think you're wrong about that. i already mentioned earlier in this post how a Christian can struggle with any sin at all, gayness being one of just amillion sins. |
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Oct 19 2004, 10:53 AM
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Liberty, America, and Taco Bell Group: Gentryman Posts: 2,070 Joined: 18-January 04 From: Bristol, VA Member No.: 150 Gender : Male |
Okay, first of all the only reason people think they're gay is because they are different from people. God didn't make gay people, they just think they're gay because they're different.
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Oct 19 2004, 11:19 AM
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I saw that shirt, too. |
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Oct 19 2004, 11:23 AM
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I have a gay family member, that doesn't mean I love him any less. I might not agree with what he does but that's no excuse for hate. Hate in itself is a contradiction. Whether or not "gay christians" are going to Hell isn't for us to decide, eh, I don't even know what I'm trying to say.
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Oct 19 2004, 11:29 AM
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*sigh* just like it was said before... it is a sin...and u can't condemn anyone for thinking they're gay without giving them the right to judge you for your sins! no sin is greater than the other. |
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Oct 19 2004, 11:30 AM
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Catching On Group: Newcomer Posts: 22 Joined: 15-October 04 Member No.: 452 |
Once again, I concur.
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Oct 19 2004, 11:37 AM
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Catching On Group: Resident Posts: 34 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Vermont Member No.: 437 |
 well said actually!
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Oct 19 2004, 02:09 PM
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Crazy Fingers Group: Banned Posts: 9,766 Joined: 3-June 05 Member No.: 2,000 Gender : Male |
*Warning: Long Post Ahead*
I'll get to that.
So what you are doing, whether consciously or not, is trying to justify his actions. Or, at least, coming to terms with the fact that what he is doing is wrong, and it's hard for you to accept that.
He considers himself to be a gay Christian; does God consider him to be a gay Christian? I used to have a problem with the idea that someone who was a homosexual saying that they were saved, and yet parading around in a purple shirt and talking in a high-pitched voice. Then, after some study, I came to the realization that one of the prerequisites for salvation is to be sorry for your sins. When/if you are saved God convicts you of your sins, and you'll want to get rid of the things that don't please Him. I know from experience. So, if he 'got saved' after he 'came out of the closet' then I would seriously doubt whether or not his 'salvation' was genuine. If, however, he declared himself a homosexual after his 'salvation', then I would wonder if: A ) he was saved in the first place B ) he just said he was Christian to be more mainstream C ) his faith was simply not serious, and he has done no study whatsoever on the subject Having a good job is irrelevant to this discussion. A lot of evil people have 'good jobs'. (Not that I'm saying your friend is 'evil' lest my words be taken out of context again)
When you say that, I wonder, is he still 'sleeping' with other males? Even if you ignore the fact that homosexuality is wrong, fornication is fornication is fornication. If he's not married to his 'lover' then he's still committing adultery, plain and simple.
That is impressive, most homosexuals don't make it to 50. The suicide rate among homosexuals is incredibly high. Now as far as heterosexual relationships go, I know a great number of people who have been married/stayed together since they were extremely young and are now quite old. That was the thing to do way back when. Not as impressive back then as it would be today.
No one here said that.
(Please stop capitalizing 'gay')
Wrong. As I will prove below.
Genesis 19:5 alone says nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. But, there are other verses in the passage. Genesis 19:5-9 and they called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them." 6 Lot went out of the door to the men, shut the door after him, 7 and said, "I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. 8 Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please; only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof." 9 But they said, "Stand back!" And they said, "This fellow came to sojourn, and he would play the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them." Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door. (KJV) The whole passage says a lot more than one verse taken out of context could. Leviticus 18:22 says: You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (KJV) Leviticus 18:22 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.' (NIV) That's pretty clear-cut and straightforward. Leviticus 20:13 says: If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them. (KJV) Leviticus 20:13 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.' (NIV) Again, those passages don't leave much room for mistranslation or misinterpretation. Romans 1:26-27 says: For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. But if you look at the whole passage, it becomes even clearer: Romans 1:24-32: 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. (KJV) Romans 1:24-32 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (NIV) Not much room for mistake, once again the passage is pretty self-explanatory, only this time, the Bible addresses the issue of those who are 'pro-gay' ect. (Romans 1:32) 1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, (KJV) 1 Corinthians 6:9 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (NIV) 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV, different Bible) It still says that homosexuality is wrong, not 'male homosexual prostitutes', but homosexuality and prostitution. 1 Timothy 9-10 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, (KJV) 1 Timothy 9-10 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers--and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine (NIV) Genesis 13:13 "But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly." The fact that there are six (I listed seven) passages used against homosexuality should speak for itself. The fact that the Bible condemns homosexuality (not homosexuals) six+ times should give you the idea that homosexuality isn't exactly something the Bible condones.
Yet 1 Timothy 1:10 uses the word 'sodomite', which, I believe was translated directly from the ancient Greek.
Could they please list the theological and scientific principles of translation and interpretation, or do I just have to take their word for it?
Jesus never mentioned beastiality, but Leviticus 18:23 (right after the verse condemning homosexuality (not homosexuals)): "And you shall not lie with any beast and defile yourself with it, neither shall any woman give herself to a beast to lie with it: it is perversion. " It would have been redundant to list what was wrong with homosexuality if it's already addressed in the Bible several times. Jesus dealt with things that were issues of confusion for the people he was dealing with (divorce ect.).
Hitler was misunderstood. That doesn't mean he wasn't evil or wrong. He was misunderstood, though. Osama bin Laden is misunderstood, rejected, outcast, and alienated; God still loves him, but that doesn't mean what he's doing is right.
True, unless they were never saved in the first place. That's between them and God, though.
Very well put.
Yes and no. Homosexuals choose to be homosexuals. The aren't "born that way". If they think they are homosexual, it's because they choose to be homosexual.
No one here said to 'hate' homosexuals. All people, and all sinners are loved by God, and should be loved by us believers. But, we should love them, without accepting their behavior. Some of the people here seem to want to blur that line.
Ah, yes, the old "don't judge me!" line. Yes, I am getting quite tired of it. We as Christians are NOT judging anyone by stating that someone is doing wrong. Let's say I'm killing someone, (which, since no sin is worse than another, it's the same principle as homosexuality, lying, ect) and one of you tells me not to, and that murder is wrong. Well, don't judge me, OK? because after all you can't tell me not to murder people because you've all lied at one point in your life, so before you can judge me for murder, you have to look at your own life. Does anyone see how ridiculous that is? Why do we as Christians freeze up, or back off at the line "don't judge me". It's ludicrous. All sins are equally terrible in God's sight, but some sins have greater consequence than others. OK, I think I'm done now. Thanks for taking the time to read this. -Anonymous |
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Oct 19 2004, 02:11 PM
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Liberty, America, and Taco Bell Group: Gentryman Posts: 2,070 Joined: 18-January 04 From: Bristol, VA Member No.: 150 Gender : Male |
Look, I didn't say, "gay Christians are going to Hell." I said that if someone is gay it probably means he's not a Christian. Oh, and this family member of yours, do you know if he's saved or not? Again, to clarify, if you say you're a Christian and then say you're gay, it probably means that you didn't get saved in the first place. I believe gay people can get saved, I just don't believe that you can be gay and a Christian at the same time. Homosexuality is a choice, God didn't make gay people!
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Oct 19 2004, 02:16 PM
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Catching On Group: Resident Posts: 34 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Vermont Member No.: 437 |
very well put. I definately applaud you.
and yes someone DID say that they wont enter the "narrow gate" Otherwise I wouldn't have stated that. But that's irrelavent. You did make good points. Congrates.. Just something for me to think about. |
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Oct 19 2004, 02:19 PM
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Catching On Group: Resident Posts: 34 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Vermont Member No.: 437 |
mmm .. I believe that God didn't make gay people but Satan did. I dont think it's a choice..but it IS a choice to choose not to live that way. I think people could very well be born gay. But your right..not by God ... (ps. my comments before...I.e. giving the gay peoples argument is just to get people to think more! Sorry if I offended and hope you dont think i'm out to fight!) This post has been edited by Emmaus: Oct 19 2004, 02:20 PM |
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Oct 19 2004, 02:32 PM
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Thank you, I really do appreciate that.
My mistake, sorry.
I'd disagree... I don't think anyone is born a homosexual anymore than someone can be born saved. There is always a point in someone's life where they 'realize' that they were homosexuals. Always. The only case where that's not true, is when a child has been adopted by homosexuals and they want to imitate their 'parents'. I'm not trying to say, however, that some people aren't more susceptible to homosexuality than others, but at the same time, I don't think people are susceptible as they want others to be[lieve].
I agree, it's good to know where other people are coming from. I don't think anyone here was offended, but you do need to emphasize that what you were stating is the homosexual viewpoint, not your own. -Anonymous This post has been edited by Anonymous: Oct 19 2004, 02:33 PM |
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Oct 19 2004, 03:25 PM
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Catching On Group: Resident Posts: 34 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Vermont Member No.: 437 |
well now u know that it is not my OWN viewpoint..
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Oct 19 2004, 03:36 PM
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Rocking For God Group: Resident Posts: 509 Joined: 26-September 04 From: Clearfield, Pennsylvania Member No.: 383 |
anonymous, this is way off topic, but i'd like to just state my amazement at how you comb all these posts with a fine tooth comb and reply to like every single thing that is said.
getting back on topic, i've brought this up three times now, but what about Christians who are really struggling with homosexuality. the ones who know it's wrong and are trying with all their might to fight it but still losing once in a while? are they still christians? i think they are. |
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Oct 19 2004, 03:47 PM
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Catching On Group: Resident Posts: 34 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Vermont Member No.: 437 |
*nods* ... I think I need to leave this topic alone for a day lol But yeah I do agree with you! |
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Oct 19 2004, 04:29 PM
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Crazy Fingers Group: Banned Posts: 9,766 Joined: 3-June 05 Member No.: 2,000 Gender : Male |
I wholeheartedly agree. They are still Christians. But, they're struggling with it, and I'm assuming that they were homosexuals before they were saved. There's a big difference between "I'm a Christian and a homosexal" and saying "I'm a Christian who's struggling with homosexuality". See the difference? -Anonymous |
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Oct 19 2004, 05:45 PM
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wow a lot of opinions on the one topic I don't like to mess with. My friend and I got into an argument about the whole being gay issue over this summer because he's totally against it and won't really associate with anyone that is gay. Me on the otherhand I have gay friends but I definitely think it's wrong and as I think someone else said I'm not going to love them any less or not accept them for who they are as a person (not saying that I'm accepting their sexuality). The thing that gets to me about some Christians and the whole issue of others being gay is that to a certain extent they show hate towards them.
I personally hate it when a whole bunch of people jump on my back about something I've done wrong and it's not fun to have something thrown in your face, and I know some of my gay friends and my friends who think its ok to be gay feel like that. I think we need to show a little more love in that area and share our beliefs on why it's wrong but not bash on them. And I'm not saying that any of you are being like that, I'm just speaking in general terms. Plus another reason I don't like getting involved in the whole gay thing is because of the violence factor. It's ok to not agree with something especially when it is wrong, but when people bring in the violence factor it's messed up. But that's kinda off topic because we as Christians definitely shouldn't be involved in that extreme. And Anonymous I definitely think you explain yourself very well and that's awesome. But you said something about it would be questionable for someone to become gay after they've become a Christian. You already said that it's between God and them which is so true. But I know for me my walk with God went downhill for the first two years of high school. I never went to that extreme, but there were certain things my friends and others did/said that I wouldn't normally agree with but suddenly did (that includes thinking gay wasn't a sin for a while). I started to look at things more from the world's point of view than God's. I ended up depressed and suicidal and blaming God for everything bad that was suddenly happening. I definitely surrendered everything to Him and got myself back on track earlier this year but my whole point in saying that is that I believe that Christians who may later consider themselves homosexuals may have just had this period of pushing God away and trying to do things on their own. I'm probably not explaining myself exactly how I want to but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say. (I know you never said this) Being Christians doesn't make us perfect we make mistakes and sin just like everyone else. However as far as someone being a Christian and "living a life of ministry for God" yet saying they're a homosexual that is kind of an iffy thing and I may have just contradicted myself but hopefully you guys understand what I'm saying. Anyhowz I think I'm done now. ~Chelle~ |
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Oct 19 2004, 06:03 PM
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i agree, i am having a similar experience with going to a public high school after going to a christian school for eight years. It is harder than i thought to not be influenced by wordly thinking, but sometimes it is nice to get an oppinion from a wordly point of veiw.(not saying that i agree with them, just that it is nice to see things from a different perspective.)
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Oct 19 2004, 06:44 PM
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I understand what you're saying. Good point. -Anonymous |
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Oct 19 2004, 06:57 PM
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~Serenity Group: Retired Staff Posts: 3,426 Joined: 14-October 04 From: Somewhere on the moon Member No.: 447 Gender : Female |
yay i thought i was babbling and making no sense, but yea going to a public school is sooooo hard but it definitely is nice to see things through others perspectives
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Oct 19 2004, 07:19 PM
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Bible Thumper Group: Resident Posts: 138 Joined: 19-October 04 Member No.: 473 |
Hey All:
What a place for my first post, huh? One of the most hotly debated topics for Christians today; however, one that certainly deserves consideration. Since everyone's had their 2 cents worth, I figure I'll throw mine in as well - for what it's worth. *Big Huge Sigh* LoL... This will most likely be another *very long post* heh... When approaching a sensitive subject like this, I think it's very important to have some things FIRMLY embedded in your mind. First and foremost, as cliche as it may be, is "what would Jesus do?" How would Jesus respond - first to the person/people under scrutiny, second to the situation, and third to the other people involved - whether it be innocent bystanders, or angry mobs. Secondly, to keep in mind that "all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23)." This is NOT to say that a Christian should shy away from calling sin by its name, or not stand up for what's right because of fear - fear of being called judgemental or legalistic. However, we must also remember that we have all been saved by God's grace - not by any good deeds that we do, or bad deeds that we DON'T do. There was a reason Jesus said "first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye (Matt. 7:5)." We must realize as Paul did that "Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst (1 Tim. 1:15)." Only when we've humbled ourselves before Jesus - realizing that it was each of our individual sins that lead him to the cross - will we be able to address others' sin - not forgetting our own of course - in the loving manner of Christ. Now to the subject at hand. The issue of being born a homosexual seems to be one of the main focuses of the recent discussions, and while I don't claim to have supreme authority (LoL) on this, or any other subject I give an opinion on, I think that yes, it IS possible to be born homosexual. In fact, I believe that to take the opposite viewpoint has certain implications on several other significant theological doctrines/truths. The point has been made that God does not create with sinful characteristics in mind. I believe that to be completely true - but being born into sin and out of sin is slightly different. David said "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me (Psalm 51:5)." Sinful nature is inherent in human nature. And what is homosexuality if not a sin? Another point that was brought up was that of alcoholism. An alcoholic may not KNOW that he is an alcoholic until he takes the first drink, but he has been one all his life, none the less. At which point then, does a homosexual know that he/she is in fact homosexual? Is it not logical to assume that on some level - for some it's easier to recognize and understand - but on some level, it happens the same way in which a heterosexual understands and realizes his/her own heterosexuality? And yes, there are cases in which I believe people CHOOSE to become homosexual. Just like a person who can choose to become an alcoholic through continually drinking themselves into a stupor. But how can you look at the 13 year old boy who wants so desperately to be accepted and fit in with his buddies - who wants to be attracted to girls, and who just can't - how do you say that he's deciding to become homosexual? Who would choose to be alienated and rejected if it could be avoided - and especially an adolescent or teenager - for who being accepted is almost the most important thing in their lives? One last point that must be examined if you are to take a "homosexuality is only a choice" viewpoint. In the beginning God created...and His creation was perfect. How, then, did sin come about? Did God make a mistake? Was there something flawed with the original creation - or was sin introduced through some other means. Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin - does God create us with immunity to any other sins? Obviously not - but he gives us the ability to conquer sin in Him. In the end, it's God who judges us - and praise the Lord for that. He is the ONLY one who knows our hearts and the only one worthy and able to decide who goes to heaven and who doesn't - based on their relationship with Him. Our goal - while we should always uphold the truth and not be afraid to say it - is to love as Christ loved. That sums up the law... Now I'm going to have to finish this now (as everyone breathes a sigh of relief...well the people that even GOT this far...) because my brain is dead! Midterms...blargh! Hehehe...hope I didn't go on for TOO long...I do do that...sorry!!! Anyway...perhaps I may come back to expound on some of this when I can think clearly and write coherent sentances! Talk to you all later mis amigos! |
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Oct 19 2004, 08:07 PM
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Crazy Fingers Group: Banned Posts: 9,766 Joined: 3-June 05 Member No.: 2,000 Gender : Male |
Excellent job with your post, but I'm afraid I disagree with some of your points.
True, but is having a sin nature the same as being born after already having committed a sin?
Someone can be born genetically inclined to be an alchoholic, but they're not technically alchoholics until they take their first drink. Even someone who is an alchoholic still makes the choice to have another drink. It may be extremely hard to say no, but it's still possible. The point at which most homosexuals 'realize' their sexuality, is then their opportunity to accept or reject what they think they are feeling. The only way, it seems, for a man to be attracted to another man, without consciously making a choice about it, is if the man has an incredibly high level of estrogen. It's possible, but simply not likely. We are all born with a sin nature, but our first sin is still our choice. We still choose whether or not we sin. It's incredibly hard to say no sometimes, but it's still our choice.
At the same time, it's possible that the said boy has a hormone imbalance, or hasn't hit puberty yet. Either is possible. [You never, however, said that the boy was attracted to males, just that he wasn't attracted to females.]
Some people have what is known as a 'victim mentality' i.e.: "nothing is ever my fault, it's always someone else. It's not my fault I'm gay, I was born that way." (In other words, it's God's fault)
Yes, but Adam still chose to eat the forbidden fruit, no one forced it on him. Any sin is still a choice, and even if it's a difficult choice to make, to excuse away sin by saying "I was born that way" is to remove personal responsibility for one's actions. Is the fact that I was born with a sin nature an excuse for murder? Why should it then be the same for homosexuality?
Correct. No one is immune to any sin. No one. But at the same time, we still make the choice to sin. Every time. No one can or will stand before God on the day of judgement, and say "It's not my fault, I was born that way" or "I was forced to sin". I guess the great irony of homosexuality is this: in every single 'couple' situation, they always emulate a heterosexual couple. Always. One person will 'attain' the attributes of the feminine gender, whilst another will act the part of the male. What they are doing, is pretending that they are normal. Effeminate homosexuals are always 'attracted' to masculine homosexuals, and vis versa. And yet, they say "I'm different" or "I was born that way" But they are still attracted to feminine or masculine traits. It's like a man is still attracted to women, but now he's looking for those traits in a man. I guess I should stop now, before I start to ramble any more. -Anonymous This post has been edited by Anonymous: Oct 20 2004, 11:19 AM |
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Oct 19 2004, 08:08 PM
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