God says NO ONE should add on to the book of the Bible, and if they take away or add, they will be cursed.

Just to correct your thinking, the belief of a flat earth and the earth as the center of the universe were not scientific principles, but were created from by the Church. Science is what proved such propositions wrong.

Anyway, according to the definition of Christian as one who accepts Jesus Christ's divinity, I'd say yes, Mormons are Christians.

Don't think that you can scare me away by posting false doctrines and sources of our church. Just because my life doesn't revolve around the internet, it doesn't mean I have a weak testimony. I agree that both views are important, but a fallen away member is NOT a reliable source to the truthfulness of our teachings. I have studied www.exmormon.org, and have realized that it's reall a bunch of mumbo jumbo. If you're searching for the truth, check out www.lds.org.

storm-Please don't base your ideas on our church by those who try to tear down our beliefs. "We believe the Bible to be the Word of God as far as it is translated correctly. We also believe the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God." (8th Article of Faith)

Hm. So as you believe the apostles were inspired to write the Bible by God, you believe Joseph Smith was also inspired in the same fashion to write the Book of Mormon?

proud orthodox- "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" is the same no matter where you are in the world, so wherever you are, if you really want to know, then go to a church service someday. We have a sacrament meeting, in which the sole purpose is to partake of the sacrament. In addition, we praise the Lord with hymns, have an invocation and benediction, and typically have a few speakers.

First, this right here is WITCHCRAFT or SORCERY!

Second, to those who claimed I posted false statements about the mormon doctrines... DISPROVE what I said!

Third, Satan believes in Jesus... Belief in Him is not the end all!

Forth, the BIBLE is the ONLY word of God... And BTW, that whole "Authorized Translation" garabge is a cop out! I think the NIV is a horrible translation... But KJV, NKJV, ASV, NASV, and the like are very sound translations and have been proven time again.

Joseph Smith's KJV is nothing more than the KJV with footnotes referencing the book of mormon! We have already established that the book of mormon is False!

Finally, I am so glad that you guys have stuck around and are willing to help educate people on what and why you believe! It is very helpful in understanding other religions and beliefs, right or wrong!

God Bless!

We do not worship, uplift, or glorify the apostles! Joseph Smith was an ungodly man! He had extramarital affairs, multiple wives, sleeping with young teens, witchcraft, accused of lying and tried in court and convicted, etc.

He was not known as a trustworthy man, yet the apostles are compared to him? The apostles sinned and did wrong to, but did not create a religion, they promoted faith in Jesus Christ.

The book of mormon has been proven false over and over... the Bible has never been proven wrong! Which is the most accurate book ever written? Also, the Bible was written by over 40 men of the course of 1500 yrs... the possibility of being correct are 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or more... How is that for science working in ones favor?

Another thing... As someone was correct in pointing out, the "science" you had mention was not true science... they were based on superstitions and hypotheses. The DNA sciences are based on Laws and Theories... LAWS are conclusively proven, theories are tried and tested and while can not be proven conclusively it is the best decision based on all available evidences. Hypotheses are ideas that have not be tested or proven!

Science disproves evolution daily and proves the Bible and creation over and over! The Bible is the only Word of God, and just like God... it is infalable!

I wasn't comparing him to the apostles, I was asking the Mormon his opinion, lay off. And that's mathematics in your favor, not science. And yes, I was the one who pointd that out.

Pastor Travis I want to go in order of postings, so I will tackle this last part of your statement first
The time between your postings as only 13 minutes. Sometimes ppl are busy and cannot get online right away. I'd like you to remember this when you are going to try and figure out what ppl are going to do before they do it. Thanks.


This post has been edited by God's_Princess: Nov 11 2005, 08:39 PM

Woa guys, at this rate this thread could become close to being closed...

I will not bash anyone, but I would like to say that a Christian is one who believes Jesus. Not only believe in Him, but believe Him.

And accepts what He says, without any alteration to the Word.

I look more into it, but I would love to hear exactly what ryan has to say rather than websites that seem to be causing problems here.

BTW welcome!!!!!!

"Although Joseph Smith claimed that the BOM[Book of Mormon] was the most complete book on Earth and that it contained 'the fullness of the gospel' he added 13 key Moman doctrines in the D&C[Doctrine and Covenants] that aren't found anywhere in the BOM. Among these new revelations were: plurality of gods(polytheism), God as an exalted man, a human being's ability to become God, three degrees of heaven, polygamy, eternal progression and baptism for the dead.(23) In addition D&C contains a number of prophesies by Smith that did not come true, which makes him a false prophet, accoring to the Bible(see Deut 18:20-22)(24)
Like the BOM, D&C underwent many changes and additions from one edition to another. Examination will show that very few of the "revelations" in the current edition of D&C read as they did in the first compilation of Smith's D&C revelations in 1833.(25)
What appears obvious is that Joseph Smith continued to get ideas about what to put in his "scriptures," and that's why so many of these changes in the very "revealed words of God" continue to appear. And Mormon Chuch officials have mane manuy changes themselves, including deletion of "Lectures of Faith," in which Smith clearly taught that God has no beginning or end and is unchangeable--direct contradictions of what Mormon theology teaches today.(26)

"From their two basic errors--additional revelation and eternal progressoin--flow other Mormon teachings that are clearly heresy.
To Mormons, the Trinity is not one God whose essence is found in three persons, but threee Gods--three distinct bodies(the Holy Ghost has only a spirit body; He has never been able to become a man, according to the Mormon system). Despite the teachings of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in the BOM and in early revelations in D&C, Smith later taught that the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost were distinct personages--three distinct Gods(see D&C 20:28). In his Documentary History of the Church , Smith made light of the Trinity, saying, 'It would make a strange God anyhow...he would be a giant or a monster'(42)
The Mormons take standard Scripture passages that Christians use to teach the Trinity and turn them around to teach their own doctrines. For example, when God said, 'Let us make man in our image" in Genesis 1:26, or when Jesus used the names Father, Son and Holy Spirit in Matthew 28:19, these verses only show Mormons there is 'more than one God.'
John 1:1, which teaches that Jesus Christ--the Word-- was with God the Father in the very beginning and, in fact, made the worlds, is said by the Mormons to teach 'two Gods.'(43) Because of their worldview, which says that God is an exalted man and that all men can attain godhood, the Trinity--one God existing as three persons--is simply incredible, illogical and nonsensical to Mormons. Their polytheism(in the case of the Trinity, their tritheism)makes more sense to them(44)
Salvations, according to Mormonism, comes in two parts:general and individual. General salvation is what Mormons mean when they say, 'We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved.'(45) All mankind will be saved in a general sense when they are resurected, and later they will be judged according to their works. eneral salvation is given regardles of a person's actions or beliefs(except for 'the sons of perdition,' who will be assigned to the fires of hell). But because Christ's atonement paid for Adam's sins only, people are still responsible for their personal sins. Christ's atonement provides the opportunity, then, to earn individual savation by obeying the layws and ordinances of the gospel(i.e., the techings of the LDS church).(46)
Mormons list eight requirements that must be met if a person is to merit forgiveness from personal sins and thereby attain godhood. some of these include: faith in Christ, being baptized, becoming a memember of the LDS church, keeping the commandments, doing temple work and accepting Joseph Smith and his successors as 'God's mouthpiece.'(47)"

We are told that God's word is perfect in Revelation 22:18-19. "I warn everyone who hars the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add him to the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prohecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

As to the last part of what I typed, God says we can be saved only thru belief in his Son and the belief in the Reserection of his Son. That alone is needed for salvation. End of story.


Sources: So What's the Difference by Fritz Ridenour pages 130-147

:::Slightly off topic:::

Where did Apologetic and Berean go?

And to answer a previous question, no, we will not marry in heaven: Matthew 22:28-30 - 28Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?"
29Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. (NIV)

This post has been edited by blissful: Nov 11 2005, 10:10 PM

Where is your reference to this?

There's ur reference to her verse

Revelation 22:18-19

18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Oops, posted at the same time, lol.

Ok, normally I try to stay off of debates, for the soul purpose of not liking the atmosphere here, it seems as though people are bashing each others' beliefs. HOWEVER...
I believe that Mormans are NOT Christians. I repeat, MORMANS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. The Bible clearly states several rebutles to the Morman "religion."
The Book of Morman:and addition to the Word of God, not true, for Jesus said no adding to the Scriptures.(see above)
The "mission."-I have friends who say that the "mission" is what gets them to heaven, not only the mission, but the good works they do. I'm not sure if they are in the same belief as you, but the Bible clearly talks AGAINST this.
So, I know those of you who think that Mormans are Christians are going to attack this, but save it, please. I am not going to look at this, so you might as well just read this and go on. I hope you find the answers you need/wanted.

This is not "Joseph Smith's Church." Christ created His church, then there was a great apostacy, and now He has restored His gospel to the earth. (2 Thesselonians 2:1-3; Rev 14:6-7) Also, the Book of Mormon has NEVER been proven wrong, because it's not. If you are struggling with this concept, then ponder James 1:5.

Yes and No. Joseph Smith was inspired to TRANSLATE the Book of Mormon. He didn't WRITE it. The Book of Mormon isn't one book. It is a compilation of the records that ancient prophets in America were commanded to keep. (Amos 3:7)

This warns of adding to GODS words. Joseph Smith didn't ADD to God's words, he simply WROTE God's words. How else is God to reveal his "secrets?" (Amos 3:7)

That particular chapter in Amos is directed at Israel, not Americans.

The whole passage - http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search...03;&version=31;

What I wrote in another thread about James 1:5 -


Hmmm...I quoted myself, neato...

Why would a leader who was founding a Christian religion, take part in occultic practices?

Why isn't their any archealogical evidence for the BOM, PGP, and the D&C?



This post has been edited by God's_Princess: Nov 11 2005, 10:57 PM

Ok, thanks.

Many false prophets will come the Lord Christ Jesus said, and many will take heed to false doctrines preached, driven by demons and decieving spirits it is said. You may say they were commanded to keep such doctrines, but Amos 3:7 doesn't.



But who's persecuting you?...Because we don't believe in those teachings, you say we're persecuting you?...restored the Gospel?...You think the Gospel Christ and His earthly ministry's disciples preached was not enough(including paul who replaced Iscariot), that some man in the 19th century had to come and proclaim the right one, bringing restoration?...Do you not believe the History of Joseph Smith?...Do you accept it as truth what he did or not?...If you do accept it, does Christ not say you'll know the false prophets by their works?...Jesus Christ laid down the perfect Gospel, not Jospeh.

This post has been edited by NChrist: Nov 12 2005, 08:23 AM