Maybe it's because Mormonism is the only true Religion and the Gods are trying to tell you that! O,o

Aha! Something to ponder!
Hm it's possible but I doubt.

I think it's something about how they're so... goodygoody and it makes me go "Awww, how cute!"
XD

no it aint...no offence Mormonism is confussing and unbiblical to the core...I just read a book on it...I was so confused about it

How can God have sex with Mary?

They believe there are 3 Gods with same purpose

They only worship God the father

They believe God was first a man

They believe you can become a god.

They do not believe grace saves you alone...but works.

They believe in multiple marriages...

what is the first lie Satan ever said in the world? you can be just like God...you cant.

Sorry I have to point out that this isn't always true.
There was a type of Mormonism that believed that you can have more than one spouse but it's hardly around any more.

That kind of Mormonism is like the Fred Phelps cult, but for Latter Day Saints, lol.

I am Mormon and I'm afraid you are confused. We believe in a Heavenly Father (God), Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. We believe they are three separate and distinct beings. If you remember in the Bible when Jesus Christ is baptized that God spoke from Heaven, the Holy Ghost ascended, and Christ was baptized. They are separate and distinct. Of course everyone trying to be like God has the same purpose as God. I am striving to have the same purpose as God as well and become like him.

We only worship our Heavenly Father although we know that we cannot be saved without the grace of Christ's atonement. We also believe that after baptism and confirmation that we receive the gift to have the Holy Ghost with us always to guide us.

We do believe that we can eventually become like God. We believe that we live in an eternal state of progression. That life never ends and we will continually improve.

James 2:

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

This is directly from the Bible. Faith without works is dead.


We DO NOT believe in multiple marriages. Polygamy is not allowed in the LDS church and if anyone involved in polygamy in our church is excommunicated from the church.

You horrible person! Don't you know that you could cause a young man to stumble if he found out you were attracted to him! Then he wouldn't be perfect, and therefore unable to reach godhood! =O

...sorry, couldn't resist.




A doctrine that was practiced by its founder Joseph Smith has been thrown out!? Ha....




The heresy makes me cringe....seriously.

And I don't have the patience to get into the Trinity with you either :/

But anyways. You aspire to become like God, which is what Satan wants you to believe, and it is the same stuff he fed Eve and Adam, which caused the whole mess we are in now.

I'd advise anyone who wants furhter information on the truth of Mormonism to go to Chick.com and read their material on the Mormon religion.

What is wrong with striving to be god-like?

Fair-lds is good, check it sometime.

A mormon preacher spoke to me the other day, I didn't have the time to hold a discussion with him, but he gave me a pamphlet, entitled 'The Plan of Salvation' I read through it out of interest, and because I admit, I know very little about Mormonism, and was interested in learning more about it.

The thing that bothered me the most when I read the pamphlet was the idea of the Pre-Earth life. Apparently I used to exist as a spirit, and lived with God in Heaven, but he then sent me to Earth to be tested, and I rejoiced at this arrangement. Rejoiced!? I can't imagine rejoicing at the prospect of a test which something like only 10 million out of 6 billion people on Earth are currently passing. I think I'd be desperately hoping that I was born in Utah, and not Afghanistan, and further hoping that the life I was born into was one with limited suffering.

I also couldn't see the point, if God really wants to test his spirit creations, surely he can come up with a better way than wiping our memories of all knowledge of our past life, and sending us to Earth to be sinners.

Perhaps I misunderstood?

I only read this far into the debate because I have to get offline soon and I can't finish the rest.
Anyways, I lived in Utah for 22 years and 95% of the people I know are mormon. I asked them if those views are accurate. The ones that are casual members or new to the church say no but the hard core long term members agree with those beliefs, God having sex with Mary, Jesus being satans brother, obtaining godhood, and all of the rest given. Even the part about Kolab, my friend has a Kolab shirt
Anyways, I spent years studying both mormon beliefs and the bible and the simple truth is that the two contradict. I have also looked into an astonishing amount of historical and prophetical support for the bible, I also looked for the same support for the book of mormon and was unable to find any what so ever. Sorry. I know this will sound rude and I hate to sit here and tell you all this but you have the right to know.

If you look they never once mention God had sex with Mary. Only critics have ever claimed the sex. They hold the evangical way


Now if you didnt believe in the trinity Jesus would be Gods son. Jesus, Satan, and all humanity share God the Father as their spiritual sire. So in a way yes they are brothers. But imo its just been blown out of perportion by anti-lds

Early Christians believed in this too.


How so?

I guess thats why its faith


Dont worry you dont sound rude

Wow a Kolob shirt!? That is just awesome

This post has been edited by slycooper: Feb 3 2009, 07:05 AM

That is a really good website. I'm actually a new convert to LDS, and I'll say that I do have a testimony of it's truthfulness. Right now that testimony is struggling a little bit, but I know that through prayer, those doubts that I have will be answered. I too am willing to answer questions, but not for simply the purpose of tripping me up. One who sincerely wants to know the answers will have the truth revealed to him/her.

David had many wives. we dont do it. The book of mormon condems polgamy UNLESS it is comanded my the lord.


The trinity is not an essential doctorine. It wasnt adopted for quite a bit.



Even early Christians believed this. There are even scripture whcih says this. Ill show you if you would like.



Thats really great



What has been said is We are not christians as we take the bible too literaly. The bible mentions the defintion of a christian and we fit into all of them.

This post has been edited by slycooper: Feb 11 2009, 03:23 PM

I guess I'll put this here, since if I put it in the other sections it'll get moved, but I've noticed more and more that the people that judge LDS for what they believe are often the people who don't understand and have no desire to understand what we believe. They judge us on a partial observation of what they think we believe, or what they've heard about us, and when we try to explain the truth, they don't want to hear it. I'd welcome comments on this, why is it that way?

I have not read this entire thread, nor do I plan to, but maybe I can provide a partial answer to your question. I myself have been to Salt Lake City and to the temple complex. From a simple visit there and talking to many of the guides and staff, as well as believers making pilgrimage I came to my conclusion that Mormonism cannot be true. As for others that judge, it is because they have either heard or read excerpts from the book of Mormon, and know them to be false as well. It has been proven that many of the historical locations and events brought forward in the book of Mormon are false (Such as the language Reformed Egyptian, this has never, and will never exist in any other form than in the book of Mormon), whereas in the Bible, there are have been references to people once thought fake (The Hittites for example) and then later archaelogical evidence is found proving the existence of said peoples, only reaffirming the Bible's truthfulness. Just a comparison between the Bible and the Book of Mormon is enough for many to judge.

But I have to say the one event that happened to be the downfall of any Mormon's testimony was the discovery that the translation of the Book Of Abraham, translated by Joseph Smith, was false. It was found by BYU scholars to be a relatively common Book of The Dead, and it did not translate into what the Book of Abraham is today. This ruined the Book of Mormon's credibility (as Smith translated that as well) and has helped to fuel the judgement that many Mormons feel today.

I am sorry that you feel judged, but many that do not seek the truth to Mormonism in it's very core like me, often hear exactly the conclusion that many come to after searching, that the religion of Mormonism is false. It does not hold up to evidence in the world around it like the Bible, and never will. That in and of itself will doom it in the eyes of people worldwide until some evidence starts to be unearthed about Mormon new world history that is undebatable.

Much of the misconceptions about the LDS comes from misinformed individuals who did a quick Google search on one or more subjects and added the information they found into their comment or reply or even face to face with an LDS Missionary. However, I would suggest not putting all of those who are against your church in the same wagon. There are many who have done their research on pro-LDS sites and literature. For example, my grandpa (before he died) has a great collection of Mormon material. He's let me borrow their Missionary training handbooks, Doctrine and Covenants, testimony from LDS members, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price and many other LDS literature.

There are many who have done their proper research and taken that research, what was found in the list given above and, challenging it against the word of God, found it to be non biblical; I being one of them. Again, many don't do proper research and think getting their answer off a completely anti-LDS website has the end-all statements refuting Mormonism. Then, there are those who have done their research and have found the LDS to have quite skewed theology.

Hope that helps,
Sky

Thanks Sky. I wasn't trying to put everyone in the same wagon, it's just that the common reaction someone gives when I tell them I am LDS is that I'm this horrible person who's one of three or four wives. I don't know whether to laugh or groan at that point. And not criticizing anyone here in particular, but I have to say, and I think Abigail would agree with me, though I won't say she will definetly, is that some people really need to look at their tactics. If you're going to tell us we're wrong,

First, at least make half of an attempt to even have a clue about what we're talking about.
Two, you want us to listen to you, yet, many times we aren't given a chance to explain what we are believe, and when we arem, we're interuptted and not permitted to explain/clarify.
Finally three, be polite. We're not forcing you to agree with us, but many friendships of mine are w/ non-members. We just ask that you respect us for what we are choosing to believe

I've absolutely no plans to leave the LDS church, but these are just a couple quick observations I've noticed.

Its just another religion; live and let live and pray and let pray.

Okay, genuine question: Do Mormons believe that God has sex with Mary?

*has put off answering this*

But since nobody else has...

We believe Christ was born of a virgin. plain and simple.

Mormonism makes me soo sad. It's like, they are SO close to the gospel! It seems to me (I could be wrong...) that they more and more have been adopting Christian-sound words, phrases, and the introductory gospel message, so it makes Mormonism seem like any other sect of Christianity. But Mormonism is so far from Christianity! The very essentials of our religion they disagree with. I personally believe that there are a number of saved Mormons who were either weak Christians that were lured away quickly, or people converted to Mormonism but truly in their heart believe in our Jesus, the Jesus of the Bible. I think there will be some Mormons in heaven. Not all, and probably not most, but I believe some. I also believe that God leads most of these Mormons to the truth before the end of their lives.

One of the HUGEST problems I have with mormonism is that it's not even monotheistic. This is one of the CORE, BASIC DOCTRINES of Christianity. 3 in one, one in 3. Yet they simply say, 3. Father, Jesus, and the Spirit are not three separate Gods "simply united in one purpose" -- they are of the same substance. It's something our minds will never fully be able to comprehend, at least until heaven. God's physics are different than ours. But it is made so incredibly, crystal clear in the Bible that God is one...

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." -Deuteronomy 6:4
"I, even I, am the LORD, and besides Me there is no Savior." -Isaiah 43:11
"There is...one Spirit..." -Ephesians 4:4

But all 3 persons of the Trinity are worshiped, so they are obviously God. Like I said, it's just a completely simple, TRANSPARENT, and undeniable truth presented in the Bible:

"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." -2 Corinthians 13:14
"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." -John 14:7

I am overwhelmed on what verses to post because it is ALL OVER THE BIBLE! You cannot escape it.

Additionally, they believe in the existence of other gods. They worship no other gods than the three that they have in their belief system, but they believe there are, who knows, trillions?, of gods out there, and our God has a beginning. They think he was once a man who worshiped his own god, and he was given godhood for his good deeds. They believe this about themselves also.

"Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me." -Isaiah 43:10
"'I am the Alpha and the Omega,' says the Lorg God, 'who is and was and who is to come, the Almighty.'" -Revelation 1:8

There are several key truths at the heart of Christianity and I think one of them is: GOD IS. GOD IS! There is such power in that statement. How could God be worthy of worship if He was handed His glory? He simply exists. He created time. He created everything. He's too amazing! Believing He has even a beginning is taking away from His majesty.

"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting YOU ARE GOD." -Psalm 90:2


There are other issues I have with mormonism, but I think this post is long enough.

But what did Brigham Young actually teach? Here are some questions:

1. Do you (a Mormon) believe you can become a god like the only one true God of the Bible or the wife of a god and have spirit children that will one day populate an earth like ours?

2. Do you believe that God was once a man?

3. Do you believe there is a "Mother god?"

4. Do you believe that God the Father has or had a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s?"

5. Do you believe what Brigham Young taught about Adam being god?

6. Do you wear or own "holy undergarments" that will protect you from the evil one while taking blood oaths? Or making gestures that would signify the cutting of your throat or abdomen, or does that no longer apply to modern day Mormons?


EDIT: The entire system of theology, it seems, is built on the merit of attaining god-status. In short, frank terms, that's a lie from the enemy, and sister, God's Princess, please see that the foundation of Mormonism is cultic and centered around man and what he can obtain.

Let man boast in the cross.



This post has been edited by Deeper: Oct 21 2009, 05:52 PM

I want to answer both of those posts, however, it's going to take me a few days, I'm working overnights the next three nights, and I don't have my Scriptures here at the library, but I will get back to you both.

well, my post was basically yes or no questions. I didn't ask them because I don't already know the answers both given through my studies on the subject of Mormonism and having talked to elders in the church. I cut to the meat of their doctrine before I present the true gospel to them, and ask them those questions I asked you. Two elders in particular did say that they believe they can become their own god as they believe God, in their utterly twisted view, was once man like us and that there isn't just one god but thousands if not millions of other gods.

Sister, the questions are yes or no. I do hope, that through our conversation you will reconsider your position on an organization that was founded by a polygamist and third degree master mason.

This post has been edited by Deeper: Oct 23 2009, 11:14 PM

That's fine. I was trying to argue two points with my post: That Mormonism cannot possibly be reconciled with Christianity, and then that Mormonism cannot possibly be reconciled with the Bible. And I think that mormon.org or maybe it's lds.org have all the mormon scriptures available online. Though you probably already know that lol.

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Okay, I promised you an answer. I'm going to make a simple request. Please don't call me sister. Brothers and sisters are those who believe the same as I. I simply request this. Thank you.

I want to start off and state that I'm still learning, I don't have a full knowledge of what I believe yet, but I know the basics, as would any new convert in your church.

Question 1:


This is a half truth that has been twisted. That being said. First off, we don't believe we can become equal with Heavenly Father. He will always be exalted over us. However, we do believe that we can be exalted to a god-like status equal to that of Christ, as we are brothers and sisters. The remark of having spirit children on an earth like ours? I'm not totally familiar with this, but I believe that is accurate, however, that is the highest degree of exaltation.

Question 2:


Here I will quote a phrase from the Prophet Lorenzo Snow:


Question 3:

Yes, but we don't speak of her for then she would be treated as common place as Heavenly Father is, with her name tossed around and vulgarized.

Question 4:

Yes. Look at Genesis: "Let us make man in our image" If we are made in the image of Heavenly Father as he said we were, then common sense tells us that he has a body of flesh and bones.

Question 5:

I've never heard of this, so I'm going to do some research and come back to this at a later date.

Question 6:



No, I do not. Why? Because I haven't recieved my endowment or my patriarchial blessing yet. Because I haven't recieved my endowment in the temple yet, I can't for certain say. But what I have studied is that that is no longer applied, AND that when it was it was said that that would be better than breaking the covenants you had made. However, what occurs in the temple is sacred, so if I knew 100% most likely I wouldn't answer this.