Someone can be a true Christian and believe in evolution just as a true Mormon can choose to believe in allegorical and metaphorical context of the BoM.

I, in all honesty do not believe you know enough about Mormonism to make any such statement. You're words alone show that you really truly haven't studied Mormonism.

This post has been edited by Deeper: Nov 16 2009, 12:10 AM

I have actually. And I've read most of the BoM.

Can a Christian believe In an allegorical garden of Eden? Why can't a Mormon believe the whole becoming a god thing is also allegorical?

Have you actually STUDIED it though? I've been studying Mormonism (along with Christianity, Catholicism and Islam) for the past three and 1 half years and what you've said so far proves that it either went in and out or you really haven't done all the studying you're claiming to have. Look, I'm not here to debate semantics with you, I'm here to address a serious issue.

The reason Mormons (true Mormons) "can't" believe it's allegorical, is because of the way their entire religion is set up. Their entire goal, or one of the major goals is exaltation, ascending to the third heaven and becoming like God, who is all-knowing/powerful/worthy of praise/over/perfect. They want to be god of their own universe which is indeed a core building-block in Mormonism. It's not a conspiracy, it is what is taught and what has been taught.

I don't think you're using semantics in the correct context but I digress...

I realize what you are saying; many mormons are taught that, many aren't. Many don't necessarily think Jesus walked the new world. One's walk with God isn't hinged on these ideas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cBaPzaehNg

Watch this, then maybe most of you will have at least an inkling of what I belive, and the Scripture that supports it.

I spoke with an Lds the other day who said it's not necessary to believe literal interpretation to be Mormon. Sure in Utah they get a little out there, but not everywhere.

Ask that same LDS member if they hold a temple recommend. If they hold the priesthood(if male).

While our church is based in Utah, and is around the world. We use the same lesson manuals throughout the world church. I can go to any LDS chapel around the world and the manual is the same, and I will be within two or three lessons of where I would be at home.

Not all lds churches are the same though. They practice what they want; jut bc a few Mormons believe in divine transcendentalism, but not all.

Mormons, it is sad to say, will divert all major questions. They are taught to give "the milk, not the meat" of their doctrine. I've had quite a few Mormons lie to me about what they believe about God and about their church. You're debating this is honestly not necessary and it's taken this entire debate off course.

Equating your interpretation of Scripture with Scripture itself is the height of hubris, pride, and arrogance.



Oh, I'm debating. I'm debating you. If you don't like that, then don't post in a debate thread.



My issue with your post is something that the subforum is specifically for; debating. Don't bait and switch, that's just cowardly.

"Mormons, it is sad to say, will divert all major questions. They are taught to give "the milk, not the meat" of their doctrine. I've had quite a few Mormons lie to me about what they believe about God and about their church. You're debating this is honestly not necessary and it's taken this entire debate off course."

well just bc you were lied to doesn't mean I or a gone else was lied to. And this is a VERY intricate part of the debate so I contend I have a valid argument.

Anyone else edit

Stop acting like debating me is life or death Bryce. One of the reasons God's princess isn't debating in here as much is because a bunch of people get on that either don't know what they're talking about and show it through their words or have no good addition to this debate.



Yet, you believe that your interpretation of the Bible is inerrant because a pope said "thus saith the Lord." Bryce, take this to PM please or I'm going to have to get a mod to moderate this.



What I'm saying is that they lied about the truth. Just like they are telling you hogwash

This post has been edited by Deeper: Nov 21 2009, 04:58 PM

It isn't life or death. But if you make a post on a debate thread, expect to be debated, and don't act irked if someone has a difference of view and they wish to contend with you because of that.

I propose that your equating of your interpretation of Scripture with Scripture itself is arrogance. Prove me wrong.



No I don't.

EDIT: nvm this is pointless.

To the rest of you, thanks for debating. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

This post has been edited by Deeper: Nov 23 2009, 11:10 AM

"What I'm saying is that they lied about the truth. Just like they are telling you hogwash"

and who ever told you that lied to you.

Marisa, I have a genuine question. This video says everything in here is scriptural, yes? Well, I decided to look up the verses myself, and I couldn't seem to find the very first one in any version of the Bible.

Deuteronomy 8:32? Deuteronomy 8 stops at verse 20... I'm confused...

Faith, I'll look it up as soon as I get home--as to the rest of you, any serious valid questions from someone who knows what they are talking about even halfway---PM me.


And just for the record y'all. Sky is right. We tend to not answer serious questions with heavy theology until after you've been studying for a while. Kind of the whole not giving meat to babes analogy.