Whoah, whoah Whoah, hold up?

First off, from the way i understood your first few sentences, you are saying, a religious club, is extra special, then say, a sports club? or the chess club?

Secondly i disagree with Religious clubs being in public schools to begin with, nothing wrong with religion, but there is a time and a place, and for most of us, it's sunday morning's in church

But if we have religious clubs in schools, anyone should be welcome to join, with any race, life style, or religion.

There is nothing wrong with being Gay, and A christian.

Secondly, you are looking past the Heterosexual's sins, that pretty much 99 precent of that club, participates in. But just because their sin is different, the the others, they should be kicked out?

Do we all not live in a free country, (well USA anyways) where we are all equal?

So everyone else in that club, should be kicked out, if he is kicked out

This post has been edited by topspin: Jul 19 2009, 02:27 AM

I profess to be Hannibal Lecter, but I'm sure that won't fly with you

I am all for private organizations doing whatever the heck they want. Don't like banment? Form your own athletic group, that's what this country is built for, but no longer geared towards.

One question I would have is this:

If they kicked out him for being gay and he was still a Christian, why do they not kick out the people that are not even Christian to begin with? I guess you can say that is what would have made me the most upset.

Outreach.

Gay "christians" deliberately defy God's commandments and abuse grace. This applies to some here... Romans 1:26-32 "For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done. 29They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32They know God's decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die -- yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them."

Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, Matthew 5:13-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Non-Christians, however, may not yet know the truth, and still have opportunity to be truly saved.

If you don't like what I have to say, go hug a teddy bear.

This post has been edited by Decoy: Jul 19 2009, 02:01 PM

Uh-no thanks i'm good with my stuffed elephant and rossarie.

Why is homosexuality a greater affront to grace than any other sin?

Because people are so much quicker to justify it, as opposed to other sins. Homosexuality becomes a lifestyle, not just a random sin like unjustified anger etc, like a serial killer in denial to his fallen nature.

This post has been edited by Decoy: Jul 19 2009, 02:30 PM

But rather than a serial killer it brings forth love (i always thought love was something that is never wrong) rather than bringing forth destruction.

I hardly think so. Homosexuality is simply lust as far as I'm concerned. If I was gay, I wouldn't love my guy friends any more than I do already, I would simply love them in a different way, carnally, a way which is Biblically termed an abomination.

This post has been edited by Decoy: Jul 19 2009, 03:24 PM

I say, the kid should be let back into the club. He wasn't hurting anybody.

So this is kinda weird I learned about this in church today, but my pastor showed me a verse that said if they don't plan on repenting from their sin they should be not necassarily kicked out, but not being aloud until they do repent. Which I mean everyone that sins and doesnt repent should be..I will go get my bible and post the scripture later. I'm busy right now, but if he isn't repenting then there is absolutley nothing wrong with what they did. However, I believe that if some one in that group is constantly sinning and also not repenting then that person, too, should be kicked out.

I'm pretty sure that would be almost everyone in the club..

Repentance is a matter of the heart, not the body. God will judge whether you are truly resisting the sinful temptations that pull at you. Someone with anger management issues who has become comfortable with their sin will be judged, whereas an alcoholic struggling with abuse, but truly fighting it, will be set free.

No I really don't think so...Everyone sins yes, but there are people who repent their sins and ask God to take them away. I mean if that boy was trying to stop sinning, then it was wrong for them to kick it out, but I think thats why Homosexuality is so big, because the other sins most people are trying to repent...I know people are going to take this the wrong way, but usually (I'm not saying always, because I've know Homosexuals who knew it was a sin and repented) homosexuals, don't want to repent.

I think your right in a sense most start out repenting, most stop or can't bare it and a few figure out the truth.

Can I ask what you mean by "Figure out the truth"?

The truth about homosexuality/being gay that is of course =)

I think she was more concerned with discovering what exactly "the truth" entails.

First Religion is not justa a "sunday morning thing" its a lifestyle and the time and place for my religion is everday everywhere.

My FCA chapter at school has no issues with the school, we do many meetings off campus and get $0 in school funding.

Our leadership does not have any lukework christians as we vote eachother to office and we ve all known eachother and are good friends (also our biggest problem, not outreaching enough to other groups although we do some)

There is something wrong with being a homosexual and a Chritstian, the Scripture is pretty outright and blatent on that fact.

That being said, i dont totally agree with that FCAs decision, we have many members who are no where near perfect people or Christians neither am i. I think as long as he was willing to learn about Christ they shouldve let him be a member as long as the fact that hes gay isnt interfearing (sp?)


I think i know what happened to the FCA Leadership here, all members sign a commitment card, its been awhile since i signed mine , but i do recall a line near the signiture that said said something like, i swear to try to lead a christian life to the best of my abilities etc etc... this includes remaing celibate until marriage and refraing from homosexual acts. i think this is where FCA leadership there decided to kick him out.

I resent the statement in another post that 99% of FCA members arent true christians, yes the number is probably high but we have many who are, maybe its because i live in the south.

We dont kick anyone out of our FCA as long as they come to learn about Christ.

just my 2 cents worth

At trying not to get into a debate i'll just say one thing and ask no one quotes me or replys because i don't want to get another debate started on this topic. The truth would be that homophilia is no sin.

*shakes head*

Reworded as homophilia, of course it's not sin. In the Greek, Philios doesn't bear the same meaning... your play at words just shows your arguments are desperate self-justifications at best.

This post has been edited by Decoy: Jul 20 2009, 01:38 AM

i dont want to start a debate either it will be pointless but homosexuality is very much wrong in the Bible, flat out no need to read between the lines.

They couldn't have kicked him out for that he identified as bi that was it not any acts not so much as holding a guys hand.



Um actualy my words was to put at basics as to not lead to any debating i was trying not to give you anything that could possibly start something.

to me and i find many christians in my FCA and area as well ,bi might as well be gay. If hes willing to do homosexual acts hes still gay, sure he may still like women but doesnt change the homosexual part.

Yea i know that but the point of my saying was that he didn't do any acts. at all just identification of himself.