First things first...


1) Punctuation, it is your friend- use it.
2) Spell check, only known to bite when you can't spell or form proper English sentences- use it.

And in response, your words are poorly worded.

Now then...



You hold the power of omnipotence? Do you have some information we don't?


To St.Augustus, thank you for being a realist, welcome to the forums.

I say: Love everyone in whatever form they come to you.

Do not judge, do not hate, do not do wrong to someone simply because you disagree with them.

This is why Christians are hated so much, because of their unwillingness to not only listen to the other side's story, but to accept them and love them as they should be accepting and loving of everyone.

My God would not disgrace this boy. He would see the good things, this boy could have a great pure heart, he could volunteer hours of his time helping others, he could love everyone for who they are. He could be a really good person. I think God looks past that.

For all we know, that child was looking to repent his sin, but he might as well not, because you all would rather him ripped to shreds, and left in the cold, than be allowed to enter a group to learn about Christ, to continue his walk with Him.

Love everyone for who they are, not for who you want them to be.

This post has been edited by fauxxmodel: Jul 20 2009, 06:52 AM

Not saying I do, but I am friends with the guy this happened to.

Jesus stopped those that were about to stone the woman caught in adultery but He also said, "Go and sin no more."

^Thank you



I find that wonderfully difficult to believe. But in the off chance that you aren't lying to save face, I will say this: how many people lie about their sex lives? If he's told you nothing's happened recently, there's a bit more to it, because I guarantee that the crap doesn't hit the fan this suddenly without someone throwing something.

First off, do you know he has commited homosexual acts? To use your own phase are you "omnipotent"? Bullying other members of these forums shouldn't be tolerated, If you want to draw people to Christ perhaps you should work on your tone.

Secondly,

How do we know if by joining the FCA this is exactly what this person was trying to do? He was trying to join a group which would make him accountable for his actions, and rather than be accepted by those who follow Christ, he was shunned, causing him to stray further? You can be openly homosexual and be a Christian, you just have to be willing to abstain from homosexual acts and temptations, perhaps this is what he was trying to do by joining the group?

Noone here knows what was in his heart, and rather than act with kindess he was rebuffed by the group and by this forum without even the slightest knowledge of who this person actually is. Clearly Christ is not exemplified by these posts.

A. Just so you know I am the one that started this thread (because of what happened to my friend) look for the similarity in the names. Its a long story to why I use a differen't one now but just know that i did.

B. Um nope he hasn't done anything at all please don't assume the worst in people just because of a stereotype.

It realy is as simple as they kicked him out because he said he was bi. There is not so much as anything that can be considered sexual with a guy (unless your gonna go into saying hugging & holding hands with a friend is a sexual act (and no i do not mean with a boy friend I mean with just another person))

Decoy, you need some serious prayer.

Here is a good verse for you, which happens to be my favorite verse because it's something we all need to work on:

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
-Matthew 7:1-5

Love others as they come to you.





I say again:

This is why Christians are hated so much, because of their unwillingness to not only listen to the other side's story, but to accept them and love them as they should be accepting and loving of everyone.

We cant pick and choose what to obey in the Bible as it is failry clear on homosexuality.

being part of FCA leadership at my school, i feel fairly confident we wouldve let him remain in FCA if he wanted to learn about Christ.

However realize that we dont all belive it is ok to be a homosexual Christian, wether you fo stuff with other guys or not. BUt if learning baout Christ leads him to a better place i dont think it wouldve been hard for us to help him however you have to understand the commitment someone sign their name to when they join.

could this FCA leadership have handled this better ? of course.

This is not a verse saying not to judge people because there is no such verse in the bible. It is saying not to be a hippocrat. It says that you will be judged on the things that you judge on others. it never says anything about not pointing out others sins. How else can someone not as familar with the bible learn of there wrong. God does however tell us that when we do point out others sins, makesure that the accuser is kind and free of that accused sin. Having said that I will tell who is bi that they are wrong according to the BIble, because I do not have that sin in my life, and am not being a hypocrat. This is a commonly mis-interprated portion of the bible. It is about hypocasy not calling peoples sinful ways out.



Love the sinner hate the sin is my policy on this. Therefore I accept every one but I am not going to pretend that there sin is ok when it is not.

"for with the judgment you pronounce, you will be judged"

take it in whatever way you wish. But if you are going to point out someone elses sins, look at your own.

No one has the right to judge, belittle, or be harsh of anyone else.

Look at the Man in the Mirror, before you start pointing fingers at someone elses sins.




Thats great.
I will not pretend YOUR sins are okay, when they are not.

This post has been edited by fauxxmodel: Jul 20 2009, 11:05 PM

First off, do you know he hasn't? I don't claim to know, but I lend the benefit of the doubt towards the organization which DOES have control over who its members are.



Self contradictory statement.


my point exactly



You can't assume that he wasn't treated kindly, because you don't have the knowledge either.



Not your perception of Him.



Who are you to judge that I need prayer for judgment?



I don't stereotype, and I only assume the worst because I believe there is a real reason behind his being kicked out, see my *benefit of the doubt* statement.

FINAL EDIT: where have I belittled someone else?

This post has been edited by Decoy: Jul 20 2009, 11:23 PM

I am aware of that so I will not judge people who share sins with me. By your logic it is wrong for the government to make laws telling us what we should not do. 'They are sinful so what gives them the right to say I can not kill, steal , rape, ect.



I have checked my sins and will not accuse others of the sins I am guilty of.



That is way I said that bringing forward ones sins should be handled with love and kindness.



This is that same thing you said before yuojust said it 4 different ways so my previous answers should suffice.



My sins are not ok. I do not pretend they are. If someone calls out my sins then I will hopefully see their point and change accordingly. Your verse is about hypocracy not justice.

Not everything is black and white



To go into detail on this i will say that they did tell him not to come back to my knowledge it was just telling/asking politely.



Ok if your going to automaticly give 'benifit of the doubt' to them lets say hypotheticaly that he did commit homosexual acts. What about the heterosexual acts that other members commited why him not allowed back yet they are?

Every thing regaurding sin and morality is Black and white.

We as humans like to put a gauge saying this sin is not as bad as that. We keep a mental score saying that "Oh I stole a pencil, It is not ike i killed someone". God though sees sin the exact same.

But think about it Josh. Lieing in order to save someone's life. Would you say that would be wrong?

Yet, he wasn't treated kindly!
He was kicked out for his lifestyle, not his sin. Homosexuality is not a sin.

From what the first post in this topic was, is he was kicked out for being gay. Not, for participating in homosexual sexual activities.

Yet it is not my call, It is God's. (PS. It is most likely still sin)

Which is my point not everything is black and white.

?? I dont understand. Didn't I say that all sin is equal and has no shades of gray in God's eyes. How does what I say have anything to do with shades of gray? Everything regaurding to morality and sin is Black and white.

A. lieing is considered a sin but there are times that it is important to lie (saving someone's life) and in those cases although i may be wrong i believe it to not be a sin. And my original post about saying shades of grey wasn't about morality at all.

This post has been edited by Crescentheart: Jul 21 2009, 12:46 AM

But it is not your nor my decision to make. God makes the call. Sin is sin and it will be punished, no matter what the reason. Justifacation is the Devil's tool. Sin is Black and White (and so is morality).

Not at all, homosexuality is the attraction to those of the same sex, many homosexuals are gay and Christian, they just choose to lead a lifestyle where they abstain from their sin by abstaining from homosexual acts. There is not a single place in the Bible that says having an attraction to the same sex is wrong, the bible simply says acting upon there attractions is wrong. We can compare it to alcholism (not trying to be offensive just works as an analogy), alcoholics will always want alcohol, yet by abstaining from drink they are ridding themselves of their sin. To turn away a person who is trying to walk with Christ is not Christlike, and we don't know this was not exactly what he was trying to do.



You are right, I am sure Jesus would say things such as, you are a liar just trying to save face. In fact I can almost picture it, becuase I am sure Jesus was into bullying people over the internet.

Homosexuality IS a sin.

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be decieved; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers, will inherit the kingdom of God" 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." Romans 1:26-27


The alcoholic is not a good analogy, yes i agree those who are Christian and trying to rid themselves of homosexuality are sinning but they repent or they wouldnt be trying to rid themselves of it, therefore they are forgiven. The FCA leadership didnt find out what was going on but homosexuality is a sin.

This post has been edited by St.Augustus: Jul 21 2009, 10:16 PM

^^ We aren't suppose to be debating about homosexuality.