You can't be serious.

I wish I had something intelligent to add to this discussion, but I'm afraid I'm a little too dumbfounded at the moment.

This post has been edited by thesilent: Nov 2 2009, 09:55 PM

Oh great. Lets murder millions of innocent Iranians just because their leaders are insane! Jesus would totally support that!


:/

Maybe but if you look at the historical records of each country since Israels foundation you would see that Israel has invade more countries than Iran, and Iran has been invaded more times than Israel. So while I don't support the Iranian regime at all, I can understand why they might want nuclear weapons. (even though again as I said earlier this is null since Khomeini wont issue a fatwa to create a nuclear program because he views nukes as offensive rather than defensive weaponry, and I somehow doubt the regime is going to give up their religious legitimacy).

Come on mate! Lets not do it the American way, but the smart way...how about Israel and Iran both make an agreement about giving up their nukes?

hahahahahahahahahaha

Disarmament is something only a liberal could believe in.

Post of the Day!

Of course He would, USA is doing God's work! (100% sarcasm)

Really? I could barely tell.

Fail of the day.

I am not a liberal, I believe one should look at the facts, then who is one's ally.

Fact Number 1) Both countries have commited War Crimes and should be tried

2) both are unstable

3) both want to destroy each other

4) both hate each other


Give me one logical reason why the Israelies should have nukes

There isn't a logical reason anyone should have nukes except for someone else has them. Hence the cold war.

1) ICJ = failure
2) Contrare, both are pretty stable, in terms of consistent goals and the means used to achieve them. Israel wants to survive, Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map. Both of those goals stay consistent.
3) Iran's intentions make Iran a serious threat in the eyes of a nation who had to fight for its existence from day one, and has been forced to fight for it ever since. Iran is simply the current flagship for the destruction of Israel "party". I think Israel is currently comfortable with a standoff, since its about the best status they've attained since independence.
4) Again... no, really?



There isn't a plausible way to get rid of nukes. The best way to deal with the problem is to limit their spread.



To hold an indefinite standoff, since I doubt you'll ever convince Muslims to stop hating Jews.

This post has been edited by Decoy: Nov 2 2009, 11:17 PM

Im talking about the ICC, remember anything the ICJ says is not enforceable but with ICC it is.



How so?

Stable means - Resistant to change of position or condition; not easily moved or disturbed.

Australia is a stable country. I dont have to dodge RPG's or have to be careful of suicide bombers, The army doesnt carry around guns in civillans places eg. shopping centre, parties etc. BUT the Israelies do...Let me remind you of the many wars which happening since the Balfour declaration-war and blood shed.

Iran is not stable either a few months a go it had mass protests and had to beat its people into submission, that doesnt sound stable...Also they have suicide bombers against them as well.



You should rephrase that

3) Iran's intentions make Iran a serious threat in the eyes of a nation who takes voluntarily and involuntarily land from poor Arabs from day one, and has been forced to fight, commit war crimes and crimes against humanity ever since.


Anyway, what is declaring war on Iran going to do?

This should be interesting.



This is really dumb, I think you play Age of Empires to much.

This is stupid thinking, are you an American?

This is not going to get World peace, but world anarchy.

NOT THAT I'M FOR ZIONISM

...

But let's give a group of several thousand displaced Australian natives New Zealand, huge funding from the UN, and access to various explosive weapons, and see how long that stability lasts. It's not really fair to say that because a nation is attacked, it's unstable and at fault :x

This post has been edited by Yves: Nov 2 2009, 11:27 PM

*is wondering if Christians read the bible anymore*

This post has been edited by Monster&Hero: Nov 2 2009, 11:25 PM

Im not saying whos at fault. I think both Muslims and Jews are ridiculous and anyone else who takes a side in this argument. I was just saying that Israel is an unstable country, that is all.




May I ask why?

If this is about, Christians should help the Jews and blah blah...prove it.

By what authority, and can you name one that isn't laughable?



I judge countries by predictability, not amiability.

If Israel is unstable by your definition, it is not a fault of the Jewish state.

The land was granted to them by the UN Partition Plan. Legal. Don't get me started on Islamic crimes against humanity.



You must not have read my post, since you're making my point. Israel doesn't want war, they want to hold a status quo of tenuous peace, since that's the best they have been able to hope for since the Arab-Israeli war of '48.

This post has been edited by Decoy: Nov 2 2009, 11:28 PM

Ah, okie. Sorry :x



Please elaborate.

You're forgetting the Hatfield and McCoy syndrome.




So is your pluralistic theory on the identity of the creator. Are you a Mexican?

What I am suggesting is exactly what America and Russia went through for 30 odd years. Wikipedia may remind you, it was the Chilly War.

=D

This post has been edited by Decoy: Nov 2 2009, 11:34 PM

Saying that Isreal does not deserve that land. God gave it to them. Bible says so. Bible correct. You can hate my narrow-mindedness all you want. Funny thing, the way to heave is said to be narrow.

I'll name the most famous case.

Slobodan Milosevic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Milo%C5%A1evi%C4%87



Well then, after the GFC you must not like USA or UK much anymore.



Yes they are both in the wrong. I think they should be tried...hopefully they will.



Those poor Israelies...

They are just so peaceful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War



God gave it to them...and then of there evilness took it away for 70 years to Babylon...and then gave it back to them...

Imagine your great great great grand father had a massive castle, now one day my family knock on your day and say, 'Oi mate this is our castle...you can have half the castle and my family and can have the other half, my great great great great grand father owned this castle but during the war he got kicked out, so we are here to claim the castle.'

How would you respond?

Now God gave the Jews the land BUT after they rejected Him, it was their land, once they lost it, its was gone!

Its like saying every Christian receives salvation therefore I can be a Buddhist and still have Salvation.

Saying that Bible says so is a logical fallacy, understand the context mate.

This post has been edited by Solja247: Nov 2 2009, 11:48 PM

yes, and the Bible also predicts that Isreal would one day become a nation again. Sure God took it away, but its like me getting grounded from somethinng my mom gave me. She gives it back.

Where?

Note: Please dont say the Bible ever says anything if you are talking about future prophecy, except the second coming of Jesus...Its YOUR interpretation that is all it is, prophecy.

But I don't wanna go to Hell because I don't approve of a bunch of atheistic terrorists and political pragmatists marching on occupied land and displacing innocent people ;~;

And just to clarify, are you saying that God approves when Zionists steal the land of Christians like Elias Chacour's father? The Bible may or may not say that the land is to go to the Jewish people, but were they really supposed to indiscriminately seize Palestinian property? (Note, I am not referring the displacement of the wars. Read The case of Elias Chacour's childhood..)

This post has been edited by Yves: Nov 3 2009, 12:04 AM

Sorry, I don't debate people who fail. Why do I support Iseral? Oh maybe cause the bible actually calls them "God's chosen People." So I am out of here. I will let my evil darker side tear yall to bits.

You're so patient, loving, gentle, humble, and kind ;~; *sob*



Palestinian Christians were Christ's sanctified children.

This post has been edited by Yves: Nov 3 2009, 12:22 AM

I mean, who or what enforces the courts? UN resolutions and sanctions?



I have lost any reason to respect either country. Or any for that matter.


Tried to what end? A shame on you from the UN?



I'd say Islam got the fight it was looking for, and got a boot stamped in their collective faces for it. I have no compassion for bull-baiters.

This post has been edited by Decoy: Nov 3 2009, 12:04 AM