We are now God's chosen, we are spiritual Jews and we are all circumcised (well should be)



Unfortunately, not enough countries...BTW the UN enforces the court.


You are not a supporter of the USA?



The UN has done that already, but for certain individuals to go to the ICC and be charged of their war crimes...hopefully going to jail.



So you think its fair Israel took land of innocent Arabs?

you just said God broke a promise. ROFL! God made a covenant with the Jews. Jesus Christ was kinda a jew.

No, I said that Jews are still God's chosen people, in spiritual sense.

Multiple choice question:

Who are God's Chosen people:

a) Chinese

Christians

c) Jews

d) Americans

E both B and C.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20 KJV)

"Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it." (Zechariah 12:3 KJV)

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." (Revelation 19:15 KJV)



[1] Yes, we are spiritual Jews but we are NOT the Jews. Far from it. We are not the blood descendants of Abraham. We have only been grafted in for a time until God focuses back on Israel.

[2] It's Israel's land, not the Arab's.

Context anyone? or is that a bad idea to prove your point?

HAHAHAHAHAHA fail.


Liking a country and supporting it are not the same thing. Don't be a fool. I love the ideals this country was founded on, and I hate what it has and is becoming. Questioning my patriotism will not get you far in this topic.



I still don't see where the ICC got it's authority. America can't haul in an Argentinian serial killer and try him. I don't see who gives an international court system jurisdiction over the governments of other countries.




You throw the word innocent around too generously. As far as I'm concerned, Israel had every right to avenge itself of Islamic aggression. If Islam wants that land back, they should fight harder. Unfortunately, that's just what we're aiming to avoid. =D

You then commit the same fallacy as the pharisees

Luk 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

When the curtain was ripped in the temple and most of hollies was shown to the world God left the Jewish nation.



I dont see how?




No, just most Pro Americans use dumb witted arguements and fallacies such as ad homminem.



Thankfully America doesnt (Although George Bush should be charged with War Crimes, yes I just brought him into it) have a say in everything what happens. The Argentinian president is being tried for war crimes, at present, so I dont see what the problem is.



You should tell the Mexicans your philosophies...You can have the land if you fight hard enough for it. I am sure a few Mexicans may try it (on America)

This post has been edited by Solja247: Nov 3 2009, 12:31 AM

Right now, I agree partly with the second quote, because we're really past the point of an extant Israel. It's a fact, and the Muslim world will just have to deal with it.

That said, when I talk about innocent Palestinians, I'm not talking about the Arab nations who invaded Israel. I'm talking about the Palestinian natives, many Christians—that's, again, God's sanctified children, Godsend—who were persecuted and eventually forced off their land by the Zionist forces. The UN may have given the Zionist government authority over the land, but that does not obviate basic property rights, and God may have given the land to the Jews*, but He did not recant on his commands for love. The Zionists had no mandate from God to violently strip Christian families of their land and living.

Again, read Blood Brothers. It was written by such a Palestinian Christian, and it does not push for the dissolution of Israel. In fact, he believes in reconciliation between Arabs and Jews and the preservation of the Jewish state. Nevertheless, it gives a wonderful depiction of agrarian Christian Palestinians during the early and later days of the Zionist entrance.


*I don't believe this, but I'll go along with it for the sake of argument.

This post has been edited by Yves: Nov 3 2009, 12:51 AM

So when the time comes, God will forsake us?

*cries*

No, the church will no longer be here. We'll be taken away.

Taken away like all the other heathens?

*cries*

You are mistaken: Romans 11

I have committed no fallacy.

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Romans 11:25)

I believe Iran has only been invaded once recently, and Israel has never conducted a full, sustained invasion of any country.


God gave it to them, then God took it away. This time, the UN gave it to them.


So since salvation through Jesus is only a temporary gift and all the Christians will be conveniently swept away (the supporting verse for which you still haven't provided me), does that mean nobody during the Tribulation will be allowed to convert?

Never said salvation through Jesus is temporary now did I? There will be converts after the rapture, but the main focus of God will be on Israel and He will take away the blindness of which they are in.

I dont agree with most of your posts, but this one is in fact Biblical.

(although, I still dont know what to think about the rapture)

"We have only been grafted in for a time until God focuses back on Israel."

This post has been edited by The Reincarnate: Nov 3 2009, 10:02 AM

Um Lebanon? You want to point a finger at who created Hezbollah? Hint it has to do with the first of several invasions of Lebanon. How about the Golan heights? Jordan? The Gaza strip? None of these lands as far as I am aware were granted to the Israelis by the UN, they were all invaded. If you were a country neighboring wouldn't that track record make you a tad nervous?



The UN gave Israel the Palestinian land correct, they did not however grant them the right to illegally and forcibly drive Arabs from their homes killing civilians in the process. The Israeli gov. has declassified documents which clearly state this was their plan from the beginning, because they wanted to rid the land of Arabs so there would be more land for Jews to inhabit. Also on a side note since many people here seem to be completely ignorant to the fact which they are willfully ignoring, Christian Arabs were also murdered as civilians and removed from their lands illegally. I don't really understand how anyone can say, after the Israeli government has admitted it themselves, that all acts of aggression on Israels part were okay towards civilians, because they weren't.

They occupied Southern Lebanon, not the entire country. The Golan Heights, again, are a small region - and were taken after Syria attacked them. Same goes for the Gaza strip, only with Egypt.

If I were a neighboring country, I would look at that track record and say to myself "hmm, maybe I shouldn't try and invade Israel, or else they might retaliate and take small portions of my land."


You're acting like I'm in favor of the Israelis forcibly removing people from their land and committing acts of violence. Where'd you get that idea?

Wait so if you attack only a small portion of a country you aren't invading it? And actually your information is incorrect, Israel was the first to attack. Point being that Israel has a penchant for attacking neighboring countries and taking "small" portions of their land (which regardless of how small is extreemly humiliating for these countries thus only increasing violence as was the case in Lebanon). Thus I could understand fear of neighboring countries.

By glossing over Israels actions simply saying well the UN gave them the land. Yes the UN gave Israel land to form a nation state, it didn't however sanction the actions that Israel used. Also this post was directed towards a lot of people on this board who seem to think it is completely justified to kill civilians because God thinks it's A-Okay

This post has been edited by seaisabella: Nov 3 2009, 01:06 PM

Anyone else think it's dangerous to mix religion war and politics?

Israel was the aggressor in the invasion of Lebanon (and even then, it was retaliatory and they did not attack the Lebanese government). However, that's not the case with most of the other wars.

The 1948 war - everyone attacked Israel.
Suez Crisis - Israel invades Sinai after the Egyptians made several small scale attacks on Israel. i.e. Egypt started it.
Six-Day War - The Egyptians and Syrians were building up forces right along Israel's border, with obvious intentions.
Yom Kippur War - Egypt and Syria invade Israel for no apparent reason.
2006 Lebanon Conflict - Hezbollah infiltrated Israel, shot rockets at civilian towns, killed some soldiers, and kidnapped some more.
Gaza War - started by Palestinians shooting rockets at Israeli towns again.

Israel does not launch invasions just for the sake of launching invasions. They do it when they are attacked first in some form or another. Even if they are admittedly very trigger happy, you can easily blame that on the simple fact that someone who is attacked a lot is bound to get paranoid.

And I never said Israel never invaded anyone. I said they haven't launched any major invasions, because they haven't. Everything they've done has been concentrated on small areas and never with the intention of occupying a whole nation or overthrow a government.


My post about the UN giving them land was not glossing over Israel's actions, because it wasn't about Israel's actions to begin with. In fact, if anything my post actually opposed Israel's acts in taking Palestinian land, because it also said God didn't give it to them.

So please, in the future, try and take context into consideration.

1) The UN is a complete failure. I could openly declare war on them and it would take 48 years for them to decide whether or not to hit me with a sanction. Entering an actual war would be a no-go... I'd win. Any yokel would win. Mohammed Farah Aidid, well... did.

2) "dumb witted" in and of itself, is a grammatical failure. And while we're discussing ad hominem.... you do realize it's hypocritical to label Americans as dumb, because of your personal opinions.... don't you?

3) Which crimes?

4) Actually, Mexicans don't have to fight, they get whatever they want. The statement I made is not a philosophy, it is an opinion concerning a very specific situation, in which an aggressor was punished with a significant loss of land. If Israel had not won the six day war, tell me who would be controlling which territories?

Agreed. We should have stuck with swords and bows.

Personally I do not like the idea of Iran having nuclear capabilities because they have shown themselves to be an unstable lot.

Salvation is through the Jews. Through Israel. I'm missing your point.