Eh, I'm all for gay rights and such, but I don't think that young children should know about how two men or two women can be a couple.
If they turn out gay in the future naturally, then fine. But I don't think that it should be referenced at school because like other people have said above, the kids' idea of marrige will be completely deformed. There are just some things that shouldn't be taught in schools.

Yeehaw! Chalk a win up for anti gay marriage. =)

But there would be no mention of it in the state's curriculum. The state's Attorney General and education commissioner said so. The law makes no mention of it

Hurray for going backwards. (note the period, which signifies that this is a complete statement and I mean it.)

Non-issue. This is not about sexual reproduction, it's about sexual orientation. A gay man does not choose to be gay, just like a straight man does not choose to be straight.

This post has been edited by Sinnerman: Nov 4 2009, 10:57 PM

I have an argument against there being any denial of rights [to gays], but you'd have to make the thread for it.

Hey, I'm glad it was repealed. Immorality shouldn't be rationalized, much less taught in school to kids who have no need to know about such things anyway.

Furthermore, marriage is not a right that should be redefined. If it is, then it is no longer marriage--just a license for more immorality.

Again, so what? Big. Deal. I don't see how having the potentiality to creature life is so magically special or makes heterosexual above homosexual sex.

You also side stepped my other remark. Not all heterosexuals have sex to create life. So it's "potentiality" is moot.



Yes it would. Sexuality (heterosexuality included) is a Sexual Attraction. A heterosexual doesn't need to have heterosexual sex to be heterosexual. So there's no reason to even think that a homosexual needs to have homosexual sex to be a homosexual.

Sexuality =/= Sexual Behavior.



Who's version of "immorality"? Yours? Sorry, we're a nation full of believers of different faiths (or none at all) we don't all consider it "immoral"

It is a sad day for America when the majority gets to say "hey, you can't marry each other because my religion says it's immoral! I don't care if you're not a believer or not, my religion is above you!"

This post has been edited by FlyingNun: Nov 5 2009, 12:11 AM

--sigh--. America is a nation that was founded on conservative Christian morals, and whether you like it or not, those morals do not change (though society tries to make them do so). Those are the morals I'm talking about: the only ones that matter for eternity. You know, where the Bible says:

26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Romans 1:24-32 (ESV)"

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:9-10 (ESV)

Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
1 Cor 6:18-20 (ESV)

This post has been edited by jarkaimaster: Nov 5 2009, 01:22 AM

Who says morals do not change? (If you say your god, I'll laugh) I don't follow the same morality as you, along with millions of other Americans. (Though we may have similarities in our moralities) Society changes, our cultures change as we change, and so our morals change along with us. You can NOT stop that from happening. You can kick and scream as much as you want, but society will continue to progress. If you feel the need to be left behind, go ahead. But don't expect the rest of us to care.

As for the "America is founded on Conservative Christian morals" lol. What's your definition of "conservative"? (anyone else notice how it's just American's that use the terms liberal and conservative?) And so what? I'm not a Christian, millions of others are not Christian, so why should your version of morality be top dog?

Our nation could have been founded on Buddhist Morals and I still wouldn't care. Expecting the entire population of our country to continue adhering to a specific version of morality, when they may not even belong to that religion, is insane.

Lets pretend for a moment, our nation was founded on Buddhist morals (no specific tradition) and call it "Liberal"
Now lets pretend that I say "America is a nation that was founded on liberal Buddhist morals, and whether you like it or not, those morals do not change (though society tries to make them do so). Those are the morals I'm talking about: the only ones that matter for eternity."

Mkay, how would you like it if I claimed that it's only liberal Buddhist morality that matters, and not the morality of your own specific faith? That yours does not actually matter over all, because our country was already founded on a specific morality, and you can't change that? And that it's liberal Buddhist morality that gets to call the shots, and decide what laws we use, regardless of how many non-Buddhists the nation has? That it does not matter what religion you belong to, liberal Buddhism is top dog.

Now lets say, a man marrying only one woman, according to liberal Buddhist morality, is "immoral (it's not, but we're pretending here ) But according to the morality of your faith, it isn't. But who cares? It's liberal Buddhist morality that "matters" after all! Anything that does not line up with it, is objectively immoral.

I bet you wouldn't like it very much at all. Now remember that feeling, because that's possibly the same feeling that many of us non-Christians feel when we're told it's only conservative Christian morality that matters, that gets to decide what laws we have, what "morals" as a society we do/should have, and that the moralities of the rest of us do not matter.

So when you make statements like remember you're referring to ONLY your religions version of morality, and not the morality the rest of us follow. You do not speak for my morality, or a Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, etc.

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I deleted your scripture drivel because as a non-Christian, I find it meaningless. Quoting biblical scripture to a non-christian makes as much sense as calling bald a hair color.

Edit: forgot something

This post has been edited by FlyingNun: Nov 5 2009, 04:23 AM

He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."
(Mat 19:8-9)

Somehow that got through the "unchanging morals" filter, hence the 60% divorce rate... It's so sickening that people scream "Marriage is holy and sacred!" when the highest divorce rates are among Christians. “It’ll damage the family unit!” when 1 in 3 children is in a single parent home due to divorce- not gays. “Protect marriage!” when there’s nothing left worth protecting.

Oh and, “It’ll warp children’s sense of marriage!” I think Britney Spears’ 55 hour marriage, and the other thousands of divorces per year that split households, does that. If your definition and “sense” of marriage hinges upon the gender of the participants, then you have no idea what marriage is.

And don’t fool yourself into thinking marriage is anything more than legalities. Christians have long since destroyed its sanctity with paperwork, traditions, and divorce. I’ve seen the debates and discussions on this board about marriage, and the majority agrees that paperwork and ceremonies are necessary- foolishness; it shows how little they understand, more-so when one says that marriage is “between a man and a woman only”.

Or did you not realize that we will be married to one another? No, of course not, because marriage is just a superficial tradition to you, what it truly represents entirely evades you. You think in terms of the flesh, but the Lord thinks in terms of the spirit.

Hypocrites the lot of you, each who believes they are “protecting marriage”- repent of this foolishness- fix your own failing tradition and stop blaming someone else, and then you’ll have the right to challenge another’s.

This post has been edited by Matthew: Nov 5 2009, 09:36 AM

Irrelevant statistics.

I stopped right there and laughed until I couldn't breathe

Matthew, for your information, yep, I come from a divorced home, right here. Yep. And guess what, my mom cheated on my dad, and guess what? Three times he forgave her, and guess what? They ended in a divorce. But oh wait, my view of marriage is not twisted. In fact, my view of marriage is better cause of it. I know what to NOT do. Do I think it is right they divorced? No. They both kinda.....made me. lol. So I don't see were your arguement is relative. I live with my mom, the one that kinda, cheated on my dad, yeaaaaaaah, I forgave her cause she asked for forgivness and repented of her ways. Tell me when the gay community ask for forgiveness and repents of their ways and I will forgive them.......oh look a butterfly *leaves after stating his two cents cause he knows it is going to be tore apart, after being here for 5 years, why wouldn't he*

If the statistics are irrelevant to you, then you missed the point.


Good for you. Neither are my views of marriage twisted just because gays are marrying, in fact it makes them much deeper and more meaningful. So the argument that "gay marriage will twist people's views of marriage" is null and void.

Sure it is, godless view.

So anyone who disagrees with the modern connotation of a marriage being a legal covenant not a religious one has a twisted godless view of marriage?

You overuse the term "godless", especially considering a view such as mine is anything but. If you're using the generic "immoral" definition, then I suggest something more specific so we don't run into this problem in the future.

legal marriage seems to be a pretty "Godless" thing anyway, being given out by the government instead of a religious institution and all

Actually I think he’s referring to the view of marriage as being between a man and a woman (since it can’t possible address marriage being viewed as legal, considering that Christians in America fight for and practice legalistic marriage- hence the legislation…), but his comment didn’t actually address anything I said; at least grammatically speaking it doesn’t follow anything in my post, so who knows...

This post has been edited by Matthew: Nov 5 2009, 10:45 AM

Been waiting for proof of this for over 2 years.

To pretend they're equivocal is a biological and social mistake.



Heterosexuals ordinarily have the potential to reproduce.



In which case we're not even talking of the same thing.



Abuse of a good does not mean the good is not still a good.

Non sequitor.

*sigh*

I'm out of this discussion, because my views are being confused with others'.

I personally tweeted "#VoteYesOn1."

This is temporary.
Once the more liberal people take hold of offices, which will be happening soon I imagine, everyone will be able to be equal.
Since that's what we should be. Equal, in every aspect.
And we should love everyone, in every aspect.
And my children will be taught about homosexuality, because you cannot have accepting children, who are not judgmental and ignorant, if you do not teach them how to accept everyone.

And for my money, I am sad this was repealed. But I see that being changed, as well as all other states, very soon.

The more we push for equality, especially regarding sin, the more just and righteous God's damnation of the unrighteous becomes. We are only bringing it upon ourselves.