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 Oct 19 2009, 09:37 PM
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 I thought I could live in your world, as years all went by.  Group: Gentryman Posts: 4,379 Joined: 31-January 08 Member No.: 15,732 Gender : Male Name : Truck Norris  |
Disregard polygamy.
I know this dude who's a mormon and he's always telling me I should "read the bible" and "throw the book of mormon in there while you're at it." So, do mormons get their beliefs from another book besides the bible? Are mormons christian? What do they believe in addition to normal Christian beliefs? My knowledge is limited to what I've heard here and other places. What is this other book? Was it really "found" (or written) just a few hundred years ago? And did a guy really read it all out of a hat? And do they really believe that Adam and Eve were located in Jackson County Missouri? This post has been edited by afriendlyatheist: Oct 19 2009, 09:41 PM |
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Oct 19 2009, 10:11 PM
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 Pope of Christian Unity Group: Gentryman Posts: 7,670 Joined: 17-May 08 Member No.: 18,075 Gender : Male Name : Bryce |
Mormons are over somewhere else and doing their own thing. Whereas as Protestants are to Catholics "separated brethren," Mormons are just fruits.
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Oct 19 2009, 10:12 PM
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 For His Glory Group: Gentryman Posts: 3,298 Joined: 1-March 07 From: Florida Member No.: 10,490 Gender : Female Name : Rachel |
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Oct 20 2009, 12:50 AM
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 French fried potatoes Group: Gentryman Posts: 2,954 Joined: 17-February 09 From: Neareast Asian Market Member No.: 23,153 Gender : Female Name : Pie |
Mormons only drink decaffeinated coffee.
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Oct 20 2009, 01:01 AM
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 Give us a scream. Group: Gentryman Posts: 8,589 Joined: 27-August 07 From: Iridonia Member No.: 13,236 Gender : Female Name : Rave |
QUOTE (Unconscious @ Oct 19 2009, 11:12 PM)  I don`t know much about Mormonism, but I have seen this video before and messaged a Mormon on youtube about it and she said it was untrue about many Mormon beliefs (and was banned for that reason). However, the LDS people I have spoken to verify what the video said about the so-called "curse" of darker-skinned people. This post has been edited by Rave87: Oct 20 2009, 04:30 AM |
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Oct 20 2009, 02:42 AM
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 Crazy Fingers Group: Resident Posts: 1,386 Joined: 26-January 09 Member No.: 22,810 Gender : Not Telling |
Watch a South Park episode on Mormons. It's really accurate, just like the episode on Scientology.
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Oct 20 2009, 08:34 AM
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 I <3 Diana Group: Gentryman Posts: 5,010 Joined: 3-March 07 From: The Breath of Life (Genesis 2:7) Member No.: 10,515 Gender : Male Name : Isaiah |
QUOTE (AquinasD @ Oct 19 2009, 11:11 PM) Mormons are over somewhere else and doing their own thing. Whereas as Protestants are to Catholics "separated brethren," Mormons are just fruits. and he is not referring to spiritual fruits.  Mormonism is considered a cult. They get the Book of Mormon from Joseph Smith who has a conversation with a demon, though he claims and angel is who gave him golden tablets in a different language with the book of Mormon on it. Mormons are not considered Christians anymore than Jehovah Witnesses are. |
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Oct 20 2009, 10:36 AM
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I thought I could live in your world, as years all went by. Group: Gentryman Posts: 4,379 Joined: 31-January 08 Member No.: 15,732 Gender : Male Name : Truck Norris |
QUOTE (God-Sent @ Oct 20 2009, 08:34 AM) They get the Book of Mormon from Joseph Smith who has a conversation with a demon So you really believe Joseph Smith had a "conversation" with something? I always thought he was just nuts and made it all up himself. |
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Oct 20 2009, 10:48 AM
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I <3 Diana Group: Gentryman Posts: 5,010 Joined: 3-March 07 From: The Breath of Life (Genesis 2:7) Member No.: 10,515 Gender : Male Name : Isaiah |
QUOTE (afriendlyatheist @ Oct 20 2009, 11:36 AM) So you really believe Joseph Smith had a "conversation" with something? I always thought he was just nuts and made it all up himself. Yes, I believe it was a demon, just like I believe Mohammed talked to one too. Obviously, they didn't realize it as one seeing that they can appear as an angel of light. This post has been edited by God-Sent: Oct 20 2009, 10:48 AM |
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Oct 20 2009, 03:19 PM
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 Undeserving Vessel of Mercy  Group: Retired Staff Posts: 13,034 Joined: 24-February 05 From: Missouri Member No.: 1,242 Gender : Male Name : Jakob |
QUOTE (Sinnerman @ Oct 20 2009, 02:42 AM) Watch a South Park episode on Mormons. It's really accurate, just like the episode on Scientology. This post can easily come off sarcastic, but to clarify, what he's saying is actually correct. The South Park episodes on Scientology and Mormonism are actually very correct. |
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Oct 22 2009, 08:47 PM
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Zephaniah 3:17 NIV Group: Retired Staff Posts: 2,101 Joined: 12-November 07 From: Kentucky, U.S.A. Member No.: 14,433 Gender : Male Name : Joseph |
Mormons believe that the "Godhead" is actually three separate beings. The God of the Bible is One Being, Who shows Himself in Three Persons, all of Whom are God just in different forms and such.
They believe God the Father is in human flesh, which is scripturally untrue God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth. - John 4:24 NIV They also believe Jesus is in human flesh (true). Then they believe the Holy Spirit has a "spirit body". (false) God the Father is literally the father of human spirits. (false) And a bunch of other hokey nonsense |
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Oct 22 2009, 09:20 PM
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I thought I could live in your world, as years all went by. Group: Gentryman Posts: 4,379 Joined: 31-January 08 Member No.: 15,732 Gender : Male Name : Truck Norris |
I've been looking through it and to me it kind of seems like the guy just wanted to give America a part to play in Christianity.
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Oct 27 2009, 10:55 AM
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 Jedi Master  Group: Moderator Posts: 10,628 Joined: 10-September 06 From: Australia Member No.: 7,635 Gender : Male |
Mormonism is not Christian as it denies several foundational tenents of Christianity.
Specifically: - They teach tri-theism, or rather polytheism by stating that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 separate Gods. - They state that salvation requires not only faith in Jesus, but also baptism, obeying the Mormom church, and following God's commands. - They deny the virgin birth - They state that humans can become gods - They state that God has a physical body - While the Bible states that God has existed for "eternity," they believe he used to be a "man" While linking to a Mormon evangelical website probably breaks the rules, their Gospel Principles website in Chapter 47 states: QUOTE (Mormon Theology) When we lived with our Heavenly Father, he explained a plan for our progression. We could become like him, an exalted being. The plan required that we be separated from him and come to earth. This separation was necessary to prove whether we would obey our Father's commandments even though we were no longer in his presence. The plan provided that when earth life ended, we would be judged and rewarded according to the degree of our faith and obedience. We would then be assigned to the place for which we had prepared. *** The Prophet Joseph Smith taught: "When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the Gospel--you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil [died] before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 348). This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: "It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46). Incidently, a lot of their "Book of Mormon" is plagiarised from the KJV, including the translation errors within it. Such as 3 Nephi 11:27 is taken straight from 1 John 5:7, but the passage is an interpolation. Also, Isaiah 4:5 is "and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence." in the KJV, yet this is a mistranslation of חפּה which would more accurate as "canopy." But 2 Nephi 14:5 repeats this error. |
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Oct 27 2009, 03:14 PM
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 Bible Thumper Group: Resident Posts: 198 Joined: 15-December 08 From: New 'Zeal'-and. - Wanganui. Member No.: 22,128 Gender : Male Name : Samuel |
Mormons are a bit off the mark,
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Oct 28 2009, 04:07 PM
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 Eastern Orthodoxy PWNS. Group: Retired Staff Posts: 9,021 Joined: 28-February 04 From: Florida Member No.: 181 Gender : Male |
QUOTE Mormonism is considered a cult. They get the Book of Mormon from Joseph Smith who has a conversation with a demon, though he claims and angel is who gave him golden tablets in a different language with the book of Mormon on it. Eh, I think he was just a con-man trying to cash in on a new religion. Like the guy who made up Scientology. |
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Oct 29 2009, 08:31 PM
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 Church Goer Group: Resident Posts: 115 Joined: 9-March 09 From: Michigan Member No.: 23,444 Gender : Male Name : Cullen |
Wow. I was all set up and ready to say something, then I realized everyone said it before me!
Cool. Anyways, Mormonism truly is a cult. And I agree with the fact that he did indeed have a conversation with a demon. I believe this happens a lot, giving rise to ghost stories and other such things. Sometimes religions, like Mormonism and Islam. It would take a lot of imagionation for a man to come up with all this on his own. |
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Oct 31 2009, 11:04 AM
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Crazy Fingers Group: Resident Posts: 1,386 Joined: 26-January 09 Member No.: 22,810 Gender : Not Telling |
QUOTE (God-Sent @ Oct 20 2009, 10:48 AM) Yes, I believe it was a demon, just like I believe Mohammed talked to one too. Obviously, they didn't realize it as one seeing that they can appear as an angel of light. You don't think that CRAZY people exist? This post has been edited by Sinnerman: Oct 31 2009, 11:04 AM |
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Oct 31 2009, 03:47 PM
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Church Goer Group: Resident Posts: 71 Joined: 16-July 09 From: PA, US Member No.: 24,967 Gender : Female Name : B. |
QUOTE (God-Sent @ Oct 20 2009, 09:34 AM) Mormons are not considered Christians anymore than Jehovah Witnesses are. I agree. http://www.allaboutcults.org/what-do-mormons-believe.htm http://www.dearelder.com/index/inc_name/Mo...Mormons_Believe |
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Oct 31 2009, 11:07 PM
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 Jesus Freak Group: Resident Posts: 281 Joined: 4-November 08 Member No.: 21,478 Gender : Female |
QUOTE (proud_orthodox_guy @ Oct 28 2009, 04:07 PM) Eh, I think he was just a con-man trying to cash in on a new religion. Like the guy who made up Scientology. Actually the person who came up with Scientology was a kooky old woman who (crazy or not) believed every word she wrote. Not that that has any relevance to the Mormon topic. EDIT: Oh wait, I'm confusing Scientology and christian scientists. Sorry Never mind haha This post has been edited by voy_a_seguir_te: Nov 1 2009, 12:01 AM |
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Nov 1 2009, 02:42 AM
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I <3 Diana Group: Gentryman Posts: 5,010 Joined: 3-March 07 From: The Breath of Life (Genesis 2:7) Member No.: 10,515 Gender : Male Name : Isaiah |
QUOTE (Sinnerman @ Oct 31 2009, 11:04 AM) You don't think that CRAZY people exist? Sure I do. There's a lot of people who are demon possessed. Ah, but you all think that everything can be explained physically. You guys worship naturalism too much. |
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Nov 1 2009, 10:18 AM
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I thought I could live in your world, as years all went by. Group: Gentryman Posts: 4,379 Joined: 31-January 08 Member No.: 15,732 Gender : Male Name : Truck Norris |
QUOTE (God-Sent @ Nov 1 2009, 02:42 AM) Ah, but you all think that everything can be explained physically. Do you deny that? 
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Nov 1 2009, 11:09 AM
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Crazy Fingers Group: Resident Posts: 1,386 Joined: 26-January 09 Member No.: 22,810 Gender : Not Telling |
QUOTE (God-Sent @ Nov 1 2009, 03:42 AM) Sure I do. There's a lot of people who are demon possessed. Ah, but you all think that everything can be explained physically. You guys worship naturalism too much. How do you tell the difference between insanity and demonic possession? |
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Nov 1 2009, 01:57 PM
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 Your friendly neighborhood Catholic Group: Moderator Posts: 3,659 Joined: 11-June 08 From: Atlanta, Georgia Member No.: 18,565 Gender : Female |
You guys are horribly off topic. Please, try to keep this discussion about mormons or else I will have to close the thread.
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Nov 1 2009, 04:27 PM
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Crazy Fingers Group: Resident Posts: 1,696 Joined: 17-July 09 Member No.: 24,983 Gender : Male |
All religion evolves. Even Christianity. Think about how different religion was eight thousand years ago. The only constant is change.
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Nov 1 2009, 04:32 PM
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 Proclaim the gospel, perfect the Saints, Redeem the dead Group: 10Ker Posts: 13,311 Joined: 14-October 04 From: Lock Haven, Pennsylvania Member No.: 448 Gender : Female Name : Marisa |
Or maybe the Mormons are back to what original was, and everyone else has it wrong.
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