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A Reason And A Way to Fight For Purity, You didn't know you were waiting for it, but you were. |
Oct 31 2008, 12:31 PM
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![]() Chatterbox ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Resident Posts: 423 Joined: 29-October 08 From: West Midlands, UK Member No.: 21,385 Gender : Male Name : Dan |
Thanks for this. I've been struggling a lot to be honest - in the past, I was under the impression that this sort of thing was fine anyway, since most guys do it.
But the Bible says we should be "in the world, but not OF the world". This summer, I renewed my faith - felt really close to God. Since then, I've been trying to give this up but it's so difficult. I keep falling, and I feel like a hypocrite just quoting the Bible when I continually mess up. I'm going to start afresh though, starting today. Any prayers would be most welcome - thanks again for posting this advice. Dan |
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Nov 4 2008, 08:57 PM
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Catching On ![]() Group: Newcomer Posts: 25 Joined: 4-November 08 From: Texas Member No.: 21,475 Gender : Male |
I've fought this battle ongoing for two years now, and have failed miserably. At this time of my life, I've never felt closer to God, but at the same time, I have felt incredibly distant.
I have lived my days as a Christian, and my nights as a sinner. But I plan to end this NOW. Thanks to the contributors of this thread, I appreciate it. It is really useful. |
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Dec 14 2008, 04:46 AM
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Catching On ![]() Group: Newcomer Posts: 10 Joined: 14-December 08 From: Where I Am Member No.: 22,100 Gender : Male |
Thank you for all the tips theese shall be very benefecial to me. Thank you very much for the help.
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May 3 2009, 06:19 PM
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Catching On ![]() Group: Newcomer Posts: 6 Joined: 26-January 09 From: Manchester Uk Member No.: 22,807 Gender : Male Name : Fred |
Shadyjames' compendium of useful stuff to help your quest for purity! I would like the mods to somehow make this post editable forever? Because i'm going to be taking additions and suggestions forever, I don't want to put a limit on the amount of information i can include in the compendium! I'm not very well read in the bible so all scripture submissions for chapter 2 are encouraged, as are personal discoveries, motivational techniques, experiences etc. I want to turn this into a community thing So without no further ado, i give you a free mans helping hand for those he was once trapped alongside. Although they don't know it and never will, i'm dedicating this to all my friends, who helped me through this from day 1, and will never know they did. Chapter 1: Sticky situations. The battle is entirely psychological, as you well know. Its a battle of your minds willingness to go on between your biological urge to give in. However theres an important difference between this battle and the rest of the battles you will face that you have to know. You cannot win this battle. The longer you think on the matter the more wrong thoughts and wrong chemicals will build up in your mind, meaning that from the moment the battle starts, you're own a downward slope to failure. Therefore, if we look at the human instinct "fight or flight", this just leaves flight, which is the only way to get out when your back is against the wall. When you find yourself tempted, you have to simply do something else. For those of you familiar with it, its like the mindvirus "the game" (which you just lost, by the way). The only way to win is not to think about it, and entirely forgetting is the ultimate goal. This isn't to say that an unwinnable battle isn't helped by weapons, quite the contrary. There are two things that i've found to be a sure-fire cure. ONE: Adrenaline. I would like to make an amendment to my previous statement about this being an entirely psychological battle. That is a reference to the losing battle which you hold in your mind each time you are tempted. This here is the battle inherent in evading that psychological battle, and for reasons i don't feel necessary for explaining here, adrenaline is an essential tool for getting out of temptation. There are three main sources of adrenaline OTHER than scaring yourself or slipping down the stairs. The first is exercise. This also works well because it immediately removes yourself from the environment in which you have the privacy and tools to screw up, and furthermore it releases a certain amount of endorphins when you get moving, including but not limited to by any stretch of the imagination, adrenaline. The second is pain. I cannot tell you how many times i've been saved by biting my fist when I get tempted. However I'm not in any way encouraging cutting (although why you'd do that i have no idea anyway). The third is caffiene, which hasn't been tested by me personally because i'm on ritalin which is a whole other story. If anybody is a coffee addict and wants to test this out for me go right ahead, make sure you PM me telling me to edit this part once you have an opinion. TWO: Mind food I don't really know what name there is for this category, but this is the bit where you're seriously thinking about getting up and going to the toilet, or typing in www.pornlolololol.com (not a real website(i hope) for all you unintuitive people out there), techniques for clearing your mind. 1. Friends. This is entirely a personal thing, and may not work for you, but it'd be against everything i believe to keep possibly useful information from you. I personally have some very close friends (girls), who i always try to be the best person as possible around. Its often said that they're glad they know me or else they'd have some horrible stereotypes about guys, and that I've always been one of the few guys to consistently break them. I've always tried to be the best person i can be when i'm in their presence, and it would absolutely break my heart to have to tell them face to face that i've been fighting masturbation for however long and have failed. I haven't cried this year, but i think i would in that situation. And when I'm tempted, i imagine that situation, and have the strength to go on. 2. What you have to lose. If you're on day 9, entering the most difficult week of the battle just before it gets easier again, look at how far you've come. You can be strong once, just once, and make it to day 10, or you can fail, and be strong 10 times to make it back to where you are. Before you screw up, remember that the fight doesn't end when you do it, it starts all over again. You DO have something to lose, and you'll do well to remember that. 3. What you have to gain. You will never be totally free of temptation, but at day 50, i go for three or four days at a time without it even crossing my mind. Its no longer an all-consuming battle. It may not be total, but it may be enough. Its enough for me. You can be free. Chapter 2: Preventative measures. As has already been discussed in the official quest for purity thread, there is no substitute for simply keeping your mind clean. A great number of failures happen right after watching TV, simply because theres so much boobage used to sell half the shows and products on there that it can pose a great difficulty to keep yourself under control afterwards. So theres the first technique, and it didn't even need a heading, but i might put a retrospective heading just to make it look like i thought this through beforehand. ONE: Avoidance Just don't let anything get into your mind. Thats about all there is to it. TWO: Mindset There are certain situations in which its a lot harder to become tempted, simply because you're in the right mindset. If you've been spending all day working in a worldly environment, or talking to people who make "fap" jokes on a regular basis, it can be a lot harder to fight the battle when it comes to you. A mindset, not just thoughts, are what you need to pay attention to, because a mindset it a lot more permanent. Motivational chants, and music are some of the most powerful tools i've discovered for changing your mindset. A great motivational speaker and Australian of the year "Glen Gerreyn" taught me once, admittedly not directly but as part of an audience, that what you tell yourself you will believe, and what you tell yourself will change what you are. So try telling yourself the truth: "I am strong, too strong to stop." "I can do all things through christ who strengthens me" "I have come too far. I will not fail now, not now and not ever." Thinking about the right things will take you places. Motivational chants, as above, thinking about your friends, as discussed, thinking about your girlfriend or thinking about God, thinking about whatever works for you. Also soppy songs work wonders. I kid you not, try getting tempted while listening to "heartbeats" by jose gonzalez on loop back to back with "Half-life 2 song 23 suite song" (although not many of you may have access to that one, you can ask me and i'll email you it if you're THAT curious. Actually no, i won't, i'll tell you to BUY AUDIOSURF for $9.99 US dollars over the steam distribution network at www.steampowered.com and then you'll get the orange box sound track for free! and it will INCLUDE Half-life 2 song 23 suite song.) Sorry i just lost my train of thought there o.O Oh right! I was saying, when you're in a position or about to enter a position in which you have a history of being tempted, listen to one of those slow songs beforehand, everybody has them, and they all go by different names, but you know which ones i mean for you. THREE: Know your enemy When you're faced with the decision, your mind will twist everything every which way. You are no longer an inhabitant of reality but an inhabitant of a half-true world that your mind is burying you in, clouding your judgement, manipulating your decisions. You can say "I will do better next time", but the fact is every single time you are the same person, with the same mind, and the only way to avoid the mistake you made last time is to recognise what it was and react to it, fight the lie during your moments of strength so that in your moment of weakness you can recognise it and banish it from your mind. Common enemies 1. You can't win anyway Nonsense. Day 53, and i can yell it from the rooftops without shame. What one man can do, another can do. 2. Its ok to masturbate/There is no point to fighting this battle You will not have to live with the guilt of each time you fall. You will never again be a slave to your sexuality, and how much easier do you think it'll be to not be tempted by a woman when you have already overcome this battle with yourself? DAnd some scriptural references. It may not explicitly say "Thou shalt not wank", but i'm pretty sure everybody felt it was wrong their first time from the inherent knowledge of good and evil we all have, even if some have been desensitised to it over the months and now don't know where they stand. I'd like to thank zatch, who supplied me with these scriptures and DIDNT EVEN KNOW HE DID IT, how pro is that? Also the bibles public domain so he can't own me for stealing what he found >=D Corinthians 6:18-20 18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8 3It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4that each of you should learn to control his own body[a] in a way that is holy and honorable, 5not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; 6and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. 7For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. Ephesians 5:3-7 3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a man is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a] 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them. 3. You're too far gone to be saved. I fought this battle for a year, and i gradually got worse and worse. I can remember how horrified i was after the first time, and how i got more and more desensitised over time. Eventually after a slow deterioration over two years I did it so regularly that i contemplated that it would be easier to convince myself that it was ok, and just run with it, than it would be to try make myself stop. One night i actually DID make that decision. Then i told myself i was going to make one last final run, gamble my soul, if you will on one last try. If i made it, i made it. If i failed, i would go back to my ways forever, and simply try to bury the shame. I WON A week into my final stand was when i discovered my weapon discussed in chapter one, part 2, subsection 1. Two weeks after that i found christian teen forums, and a week again later, on day 30, i found the mens section and made my first post in the quest for purity thread, with the comment "Day 30. Love is a powerful weapon." Good post! However i do think the power of prayer is undermined in this guide! the best way to be free from these afflictions is to pray, the thing is knowing what to pray about. Ask God to give you more control over your thoughts, and filled your head with things that are of God, Music,Movies,Books, Most importantly SCRIPTURE! and then all you really have to do is not let any thought come to your head its as simply as thinking about something else once you get a bad thought and you would be fine! REMEMBER PRAYER PRAYER PRAYER PRAYER. Stay blessed! |
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Jun 7 2009, 05:20 PM
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![]() Legend ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Resident Posts: 317 Joined: 28-June 08 From: Australia Member No.: 18,904 Gender : Male |
In the time i've been gone from this forum, i have learned EXACTLY what you mean, good sir. I forgot the importance of prayer and it came back to bite me when I needed God's help the most.
I'll make a point of contacting a mod to insert something about prayer, as soon as i have it written Also those extra bible verses that brendon posted are great, as are some of the thanks people have given me over the past year. I just wish that i had been around to thank them back. Well i'm here now, and i've learnt some lessons. Good luck everybody |
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Jun 24 2009, 08:43 PM
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Catching On ![]() Group: Newcomer Posts: 33 Joined: 24-June 09 From: Woodland Member No.: 24,709 Gender : Not Telling Name : Justin |
Hey thanks for this! I've been struggling with this for 4 years...for 3 1/2 of those 4 i didn't really care, but now I've been really striving to be a better man of God and this was very encouraging...
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Jun 25 2009, 07:57 AM
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![]() Legend ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Resident Posts: 317 Joined: 28-June 08 From: Australia Member No.: 18,904 Gender : Male |
I changed my mind on the prayer thing. Yes its an important, if not THE MOST important part of it, but i'm not even slightly qualified to coach people on their relationship with God. That's something people will have to explore for themselves. This whole websites a christian forum, and theres other, wiser people that can help with that. This is my field of research, and this is what I know.
What is here is here. This post has been edited by shadyjames: Jun 25 2009, 07:59 AM |
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Sep 21 2009, 06:21 AM
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![]() Catching On ![]() Group: Newcomer Posts: 19 Joined: 15-September 09 From: Miller MO Member No.: 26,448 Gender : Male Name : Jacob |
Hey man thanks so much for posting this it has been so helpfull for me! You just put a ton of stuff that i was thinking and wondering about all together into one awesome paragraph. Thanks! I agree that prayer is extremely important but i think one of the biggest ways God can help us is by using other people and speaking through them to us. I have one friend who has been so helpfull in getting me though the hardest spots and thats where i heard about CTF. This place is so rad!
9 days and counting! |
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Oct 8 2009, 07:44 PM
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![]() Catching On ![]() Group: Newcomer Posts: 33 Joined: 7-October 09 Member No.: 26,725 Gender : Male Name : Tom |
Great stuff man, thanks so much for this! It's going to help a lot i can tell
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Oct 18 2009, 08:01 AM
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![]() Catching On ![]() Group: Newcomer Posts: 19 Joined: 15-September 09 From: Miller MO Member No.: 26,448 Gender : Male Name : Jacob |
well after making it a few weeks and then falling again ive discovered something: reading the Bible is our greatest weapon against this and if we merely ignore that weapon then how can Christ help us. Prayer is an amazing gift as well and can be a excellent tool, but Gods word is the most helpfull of all. Its similar to the way that in a relationship, words hold such great importance. The one we love can only encourage us and help if we listen to what he has to say and talk to Him.
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Oct 25 2009, 04:37 AM
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![]() The syrup-chugging, moose-riding, igloo-building maniac! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Resident Posts: 720 Joined: 2-April 09 From: Cayman Islands Member No.: 23,731 Gender : Male Name : Spencer |
After struggling for some time, i am now adding this to my favorites in case i never need it. This information is loads of help, thanks Shady!
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Oct 25 2009, 03:33 PM
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![]() Friendly Llama or Psychotic Woolly Creature? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: 10Ker Posts: 16,466 Joined: 10-July 08 From: Indiana Member No.: 19,132 Gender : Male Name : Zoe Daniella |
Where did that purity quest thread go? Did it get deleted again? o_O
...day three for me. But for the past three or four weeks when I've slipped up I've gotten back up again and made another seven or twelve or whatever days instead of staying down for days at a time. More determined? I hope so. I just hate inevitably slipping up again. =\ |
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Oct 26 2009, 08:47 PM
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![]() Jesus Freak ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Resident Posts: 253 Joined: 29-August 07 From: United States Member No.: 13,256 Gender : Male |
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Oct 27 2009, 12:27 PM
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![]() Friendly Llama or Psychotic Woolly Creature? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: 10Ker Posts: 16,466 Joined: 10-July 08 From: Indiana Member No.: 19,132 Gender : Male Name : Zoe Daniella |
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