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  1. Cool! That is super North Georgia though. Like, so far north you might as well be in South Carolina. How do like it up there?

  2. curious you should be from GA...the college I attend is in Stephens County.

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    And Masturbation isn't sinful

    Ahh...gentlemen. I remember when I first arrived on ctf, I was an ardent anti-masturbation supporter. By that I mean, that I considered masturbation, in and of itself, sinful. Today, I admit that I was wrong and somewhat simplistic in my understanding of what sin truly is. Back when I was young teen, I was stuck in the porn. It had engulfed my whole life. Lust was my lord. Thankfully, God had grace on me and delivered me from pornography. Still dealt with lust though. Still do sometimes. What guy doesn't? But for a time I went 133 days without masturbating. But then I fell and lusted, and I became once again biologically bound to masturbation. Lately in my life, it's usually once every week. Sometimes a little shorter span than that. But usually, I'd say at least 90% of the time, I do not fantasize while I do it. I do not lust. And that's what it's all about isn't it? That's the sin, lust. We don't call the sin masturbation, we call it lust. You won't find anywhere in Scripture that masturbation, in and of itself, is a sin. You'll find boatloads of scripture saying that lust is sinful. Today I recognize that distinction. I believe as guys, we get all caught up in identifying the sin of lust as being the physical act of masturbation. This simply is not the case. Touching yourself, is not the equivalent of touching your girlfriend. Intentionally touching yourself without lust isn't sinful. Intentionally touching your girlfriend's private areas in any situation would be sinful. Jesus taught a message that focused on what the desires of our hearts are, what our thoughts are focused on. To merely think something with evil desire in one's heart is considered sinful. However, as humans, it is hard for us to comprehend mere thoughts as being truly sinful. If a guy thinks lustfully, he often fails to recognize the sinfulness of his ways. Yet when he ACTS out those thoughts through masturbation, he suddenly realizes the gravity of the sin as it has taken on a physical form. The dilemma that develops is that the young man now sees his sin to be the masturbation, rather than the lustfulness that may be partially driving him to do that. This then leads him into a crusade against his body, while the devil gleefully rejoices that he has confounded the saint into believing his physical flesh and bone are evil and distracted him from the true root of the problem. The problem is lust, not masturbation, gentlemen. Personally, I don't really believe masturbation is very beneficial. I would prefer to live without it. I believe it offers temptations to lust, but that it is indeed possible to do it without lusting. It is always preferable to flee from temptations, but to not flee should not be considered a sin in itself if one does not yield to them. So, what I challenge all of you and myself, is that we fast from masturbation. (the kind w/o lust) Today, I'm going to commit to 3 weeks of fasting from it, to really focus in on God. I'm hoping to also really focus on continuing to improve how to better handle myself in situations with my girlfriend. It's been getting better, and I can a feel a true desire in my heart to chase after God. I challenge all of you guys to join me in this fast, and I ask that you reflect on whether you have the ability to masturbate without engaging in lustful thinking, and that you separate the real sin (the thoughts) from the symbol of sorts (masturbation). Masturbation is to lust, as money is to greed. The former in both cases are morally neutral while the latter are sinful desires. Masturbation is not a sin.
  4. You're that dude who was dating a 13-year-old. How did that go?

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    The idea of justifying grace lends itself to being applied as being made perfect through penance. I don't doubt that the Catholic church believes all this must be done through Jesus Christ, but I find it's application very sketchy. From my conversations on here, it seems to boil down to "Jesus Christ died so that we could do enough penance to get into heaven." Why must we be completely sanctified before we enter into the kingdom of heaven? From what I read it seems that the reason would be sanctified=justified. You can't enter into heaven if you aren't justified, and so therefore you must be fully sanctified in order to enter. Protestants view justification and sanctification as being wholly separate from one another. Christ work on the cross ITSELF saves us. The perfection of the human being through sanctification is not what brings salvation. The question is, how does one become sanctified according to Catholicism ?
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    God Doesn't Love Everyone

    Well, God loves everyone, but not equally. If God loved all equally, then all would come to salvation. He would make all the blind see so that they could accept the truth of the Gospel.
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    Is heaven exclusive?

    Sounds to me like a morally conscious person. You never answered the question about the guy down the street, so I'll assume that's a yes. Christ is more than some concept. You must not simply be seeking for A savior. You must seek THE Savior. The language you use in how this person comes to salvation outside of the knowledge of Jesus Christ is all very ambiguous. How can they seek "Him" as in Christ, when they don't even know He exists? I think you'd be hard pressed to find how the gospel can be found in natural revelation. Nature testifies to the existence of God, but no leaf is going to tell me about the Gospel or about Christ. Besides, there isn't a shred of Biblical evidence to support what you are suggesting, and there is boat load of evidence to the contrary. Even if your Biblical evidence did exist, it would create a major contradiction within the Biblical text. Salvation comes through placing faith in Christ alone.
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    The Christian should die.

    How can we know what is "unlikely?" God takes the unlikely fools to shame the wise. To the early Christians, it seemed probably very unlikely that Saul would ever change. In fact, when he did, they had many misgivings. I doubt that you'd find many a persecution where most of the culture isn't against you as well. Say you're a Coptic Christian in Egypt. They've been under a great amount of persecution and it is highly "unlikely" in human estimation that the Muslims will convert to Christianity. Is violence really the answer?
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    Is heaven exclusive?

    Jesus is more than a mere magical name that gets us into heaven. He is the Son of God, He is God. When one lacks knowledge of Christ, he lacks a true understanding of God. He cannot know God, if he doesn't know Jesus. Jesus is the mediator between God and man. Please explain how one can come to salvation outside of Jesus Christ. ---------- Post added at 11:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:42 PM ---------- Jesus is more than a mere magical word. He is the Son of God, He is God himself. Without knowledge of Jesus Christ, one does not fully understand the nature of God. How does a person come to salvation outside of Jesus Christ? If this can apply to those who may not have had the opportunity to hear, why can't it apply to the guy who lives down the street from me?
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    The very doctrine of purgatory exists because of the belief that one must be sanctified before he is justified. Why else do you think they developed that belief? If you are follower of Christ and you haven't been fully sanctified they believe you cannot go into heaven. Yet they also believe you would not go to hell. Therefore you must be go to purgatory where the santification process would be made complete. Can a Catholic please confirm that I am representing your doctrine correctly? What I have presented is a true reflection of Catholic beliefs. We studied a number of Catholic beliefs in my college theology class.
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    I can agree with that. ---------- Post added at 11:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:35 PM ---------- So you believe the process of salvation is santification, justification, glorification?
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    The Christian should die.

    I'm still convinced that reacting in violence will only cause further harm to Christians, but I will grant you that perhaps in some cases it may reduce loss of life on the Christian side of the things. However, we are still left to deal with WHY the early Roman Christians did not resist. I think it was more than simply my practical reason. I know I was really pressing it, but I don't believe it was THE reason they didn't react in violence. I think they knew it would indelibly mar the image of Christ. If they reacted in violence and the Romans left them alone, they may have ruined the message of Gospel for all Romans. I strongly believe that had they reacted in violence, it would've spelled disaster for Christianity, and I believe that same principal is still applicable to today. So why we shouldn't react in violence in the face of persecution: 1. It ruins the message of Gospel to non-believers 2. You kill potential converts (Saul) and thereby lose them to destruction in hell 3. You miss the blessing of suffering for Christ You've been doing fine, perfectly civil.
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    Is heaven exclusive?

    The "who says" argument is a ploy for me to challenge the ability of God. God can hear anyone. He doesn't even need to "hear" because He already knows all things because of his omniscient character. So yes, God could "hear" them but I don't exactly understand what you mean by "If we want Him there, He'll be there."