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  1. I give below, a link to a Youtube video by "The Two Preachers" that shows the proven real burial cloth of Jesus Christ, on which you can see the true face and body of our most sweet and beloved God. The video gives a couple of interesting evidences on why this linen burial cloth-called today "the Shroud of Turin"- is Jesus's actual burial shroud. *One of the smartest evangelical scholars, professor Gary Habermas of Liberty University, believes the Shroud of Turin is certainly Jesus's burial cloth. Many other protestant Christian leaders ,such as David Mainse, also hold the same view! ***Please do your part to glorify Jesus and to feed his sheep, by sharing the Youtube( below) video with friends and family-even with Sunday school teachers. And make sure you say that Dr. Gary Habermas(an evangelical) says the Shroud of Turin really belonged to Jesus. If you are Catholic, then it's easy for you to share with other Catholics because they all ready have many church leaders and scholars who believe it to be Christ's real shroud. So share with friends and family this way so the Shroud of Turin video goes viral: ----Simply said :the [Message(M for short)]you have to spread is the [M1 =" Shroud of Turin Youtube video link" to friends ] and [M2=" ask your friends to always BOTH (1) share the Shroud of Turin Youtube video link with their friends and (2) also to ask their friends to share the Shroud of Turin Youtube video with(next in the viral chain) their friends. ----- But you have to do both M1 and All of M2 to keep the Whole Message (which is the Shroud of Turin Youtube video link And Sharing it {"Share it" is part of the Whole Message} ) going on and on and on. Otherwise "the sharing of the Shroud of Turin Youtube link will stop after 1 or 2 friends connecting back to you. I want it to go viral to glorify Christ so both M1 +M2 must be done. Thank you. I have no connection to this Youtube video. ****** A few paragraphs below is the Youtube link!******* Dozens of books have been written to explain why the Shroud of Turin is authentic/real. But in order to quickly understand how and why 3 brilliant American chemists/scientists showed that the many blood marks on this shroud were put on it by Jesus's body before the picture of his face and body was miraculously put on this same shroud, therefore absolutely proving it is truly Christ's linen burial cloth, please see my thread in this "Bible" subforum named "Image of Jesus's Real Face From the Shroud of Turin"[0ctober 14, 2017] AND then go read its 6th reply post[September 16,2018]. I also have photos of the Shroud of Turin in that OCT, 2017 thread. There are many good books that explain the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin also. Shroud of Turin experts all have the saying: "Blood before image/picture"! When you read and understand how it is impossible for anyone but God to put the blood marks onto the Shroud of Turin exactly matching Jesus's wounds before the picture of his body was put on the same shroud- you will be amazed. ***{Please understand that only in photos of the Shroud of Turin taken under bright super white light can the red blood be clearly seen, That is why in many Shroud of Turin photos the blood is almost impossible to see.These were taken in low light. But in my October 14,2017 thread's 6th reply post I show a blood marked Shroud of Turin photo! See the title of that thread in the 2nd paragraph.} The Shroud of Turin is also miraculously the world's first X Ray!! The black and white "Negative" image of the Shroud of Turin is an X Ray according to Professor of Radiology Harold E. Davis(he is a fellow of the American College of Radiologists). Other radiologists, including Everett James of Vanderbilt University agree! (Please ask your parents to see a photographic Negative. All photographs came with them 20 years ago.) ***In Matthew 27:59, Mark 15:46 and in 5 other places in the New Testament Gospels, the linen burial cloth of Christ is clearly mentioned. Here is the link to the 2018 Update Shroud of Turin Youtube video: https://youtu.be/KBycQZug8Fo The noted evangelical scholar Gary Habermas ( professor at Liberty Univ.) said recently that the Shroud of Turin is certainly Jesus's linen burial cloth! Famous evangelists Ravi Zacharias and David Mainse also thinks it is. *****Please tell (and send the Youtube link)to your family and friends- even to Sunday school teachers and youth pastors- I explained in the 4th and 5th paragraph on how to get this Youtube video going viral. I hope I was clear or at least sort of.(make sure to say Dr. Gary Habermas thinks for certain it is real.) *************Jesus said in John 14:11 that we should believe that the Father is in him "at least" by the miracles/works he did. The Shroud of Turin is one of those miracles/works so please share the link... it is easy and you will be glorifying Jesus and helping your neighbor. I have no connection to the linked video or to The Two Preachers. Thank you for spending your time and reading this thread and clicking on the link! All praise and glory to Our Father and his Only Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. The Good News of the free gift of everlasting life in heaven by believing in and trusting Jesus Christ the Eternal God, must be heard by all. What an infinitely valuable and priceless gift for free -but it can be received from God only by faith in Christ Jesus! No other way to heaven I lovingly , gently and humbly say. Jesus is God is Love. See you in heaven my dear sisters and brothers of all colors around the world. Hang on to Jesus with all your strength. Life on earth is very short---You will be Princesses and Princes forever and ever. See you there!
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    Yes Davida, we all go through really, really tough times in our short lives on earth but remember in Matthew 28:20, Jesus promises that he will be with us always!!! Jesus is God, so he can and will comfort us in our pain and strengthen us. He is with us always but you must be born-again by being baptized with the Holy Spirit to have this promise. Just believe in Jesus Christ and ask his and our Father in Heaven to give you the Perfect and Infinite gift of the Holy Spirit indwelling in your soul. Also talk to a Christian pastor for those of you who are going through hard times and wondering how to be baptized by the Holy Spirit. It is important to do this.
  3. Please read my first reply after my OP . It shows, along with my explanation below, why we can be 100% sure that God(Jesus) made the image on the Shroud on Turin. No one(except God) can put all the hundreds of blood marks first onto the linen cloth and then line them up exactly with the anatomically correct picture of a body of a man with pierced hands(hands in the Koine Greek language of the New Testament include the wrists) and the pierced feet, the head with the large crown of thorn wounds, the side of the torso with the spear wound, and the rest of the entire body with the many, many dozens of wounds inflicted by the metal-tipped whips onto the Shroud of Turin(without a single blood mark going outside the outline of the picture of the body!) The 3 chemists have proven that the blood was on the Shroud of Turin first, before the body image of Jesus Christ, by showing that are No colored image/picture linen threads underneath the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin. This is a miracle. (In the below image of the Shroud of Turin, Jesus Christ's head is on the far right side with blood on it from the crown of thorns.. The dark brown color marks are burn marks -they are not part of the image/picture.Please try adjusting the 'view" size of the page if the picture seems shortened horizontally or squished up.)
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    Regaining Faith

    Hi RealizerFails. Good to hear you are still searching and have ordered a new Bible. It was a long and very winding road for me and it took many years of searching for me to be absolutely convinced that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. In the NT's(Bible) Luke 11:10 Jesus said:" Everyone who asks receives,and the one who seeks finds and to the one who knocks it will be opened." {I give clear proof later in this reply that the Bible is really the Word of the omnipotent(almighty) God and also show an image of the real face of Jesus Christ.} The Bible in Romans 3:23-24 says:"... all have have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and are being justified(made right with God) freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus." So we are all sinners and need to put our faith in Jesus to be saved(see Romans3:20-27) and should not insult or put anyone down for their apparent sins. However we can encourage people gently and kindly to move away from a lifestyle of sinning by believing in and trusting in Jesus Christ as their Savior and God , becoming born again. Jesus Christ told Nicodemus in the Bible's(just saying the book of John is in the Bible for people reading this around the world who are just learning about Christianity) Gospel of John 3:1-16 how to be saved and enter heaven(the Kingdom of God.) (1) Jesus said in John 3:3,"...Truly,truly, I say to you, that unless one is born again he/she cannot see(enter) the Kingdom of God." ---Jesus then told Nicodemus what must happen to him(Jesus Christ) so that the way to live forever in heaven(eternal life in the Kingdom of God) will be made possible and offered by God(the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit) as a free gift to all of humankind. (2) Jesus said in John 3:14: "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man(Son of Man is a term from the Bible's Book of Daniel chapter 7:13-14 meaning the " Exalted Heavenly One" who will rule his Kingdom of heaven forever) be lifted up that whoever believes in him will have eternal life." ---Bible scholars say that by saying "lifted up", Jesus clearly meant that he would be nailed through his hands(in the Koine Greek language of the New Testament "hands included the wrists") and feet to a cross . Then that cross with Jesus on it would be lifted up and anchored to the ground- causing Jesus to be "lifted up". Jesus Christ was crucified and killed by order of Pontius Pilate. Jesus's shed blood[by crowning his head by a cap of large thorns, whipping by metal-tipped whips, and nailing of his hands/wrists and feet to a cross] and his death(ransom sacrifice) and resurrection to life after 3 days, is the only way to everlasting life in heaven for a human being.It is the greatest possible gift that ever can be offered because: it is an infinite and perfect gift. God is infinite and perfect and Christ Jesus was Almighty God in human flesh (Apostle Thomas declared with Jesus's approval, that Christ was :"My Lord and my God" in John 20:28 .) (3) Jesus then tells us how we can receive(take and accept) this free gift of Christ's ransom sacrifice I just described in blue above. Even a free gift from God has to be accepted by the person it is given to. God will not force anyone to take the free gift of the blood , death(ransom sacrifice) and resurrection life of Christ Jesus that is the Way to live forever in heaven in perfect happiness. Jesus in John 3:16 said: "For God so loved the world that he gave his One and Only Son, that whoever believes in him(Jesus) should not perish but have eternal (unending --I am explaining for very young readers) life." *(4) So the moment when we believe in and trust in God's only Son, Jesus, to save us from our sins and bring us to heaven forever, by what he has done ( shedding of his Godly blood and his death on the cross and his resurrection on the 3rd day) , we are born again! At that moment of really believing in Christ Jesus, the Holy Spirit- who is the 3rd Person of the Godhead(God)- comes to live in us and joins with our soul and causes us to be born again. (5)Yes, we have been given eternal life in heaven as a completely free gift, but it must be received(accepted)and then we are saved by the Holy Spirit indwelling within our soul (born again.) **Please understand also that the person who has really been born again(saved) will have a close relationship with Jesus Christ and his(our) Father as John 17:3 says. 1John 4:7-8 says that a person who has been born of God(born again) will love other Christians because God is love. Evidence That The Bible Is Really God's Word Christ-like crucifixion(nailed through the hands and feet) was only invented hundreds of years after it is miraculously first described in Psalm 22:16:"they have pierced my hands and feet". We have to be careful to understand that the dictionary definition of crucifixion can mean a body pierced by any sharp pole, or even the hands just tied to a beam with rope. It is a bit confusing. However research has shown that Christ-like crucifixion absolutely was prophecied in Psalm 22:16 before it was created by humans. Some try their hardest to confuse us on this simple evidence that the Bible was written by the true God who clearly knows the future. ============================================================================================================== The eyewitness testimony of many of the authors of New Testament such as the Apostles John, Matthew, Peter, Paul and the brothers of Christ, James and Jude are great evidence that Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead.However we must always have that mustard seed type of faith even if we have all the evidence in the world to prove that the Bible is really God's word. We can use both faith and evidence to believe in and trust in Jesus as our God and Savior. Even Jesus said in John 14:11:"Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves." I am now going to present one of these works of Jesus Christ from his earthly life that we amazingly still have with us today. Matthew 27:59 says that: "Joseph took the body(of Jesus) and wrapped it in a clean linen cloth." We have Christ's linen burial cloth still with us today. It is known as the Shroud of Turin. (Turin is a city in Italy,) *The notable evangelical scholar professor Gary Habermas, of Liberty University, believes that the Shroud of Turin is authentic(real). So do Lee Strobel, David Mainse and other evangelical Christians. Here is a link to a good website about the Shroud of Turin: (please share the shroud website with others to strengthen their faith. I sometimes type in the web address wrongly - 3 dots in it- so tell them to Google: "shroud turin blog spot). Thank you. http://www.theshroudofturin.blogspot.com (please go to right margin of the linked site and click on "the Evidence is Overwhelming that the Turin Shroud is Authentic" so you can quickly see the 29+ proofs it is real) Mark 15:46, and Luke 23:53 also mention this linen burial cloth of Jesus. Luke 24:12, John 19:40 and John 20:5-6 say linen burial cloths. Dr. Gary Habermas says this is because Jesus also had about 3 strips of linen tied onto his body after the large linen cloth was put on. One of these strips of linen was tied around his jaw, the others around his wrists and his ankles. (The Koine Greek word used for the" linen burial material" in these 4 verses must be translated as "linen cloths".) Here Are A Few Proofs That The Shroud Of Turin Is Jesus Christ's Linen Burial Cloth (1)PROOF 1- There are No yellowish-brown colored image/picture threads underneath the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin. - -I'll put the explanation of this proof below the picture of the Shroud of Turin(See a clear image of Jesus's face in the pictures far below the large total body picture .) See the middle of the below picture of the Shroud of Turin to see the real image of Jesus's body. His head is on the right, with blood around it caused by the crown of thorns. Jesus's feet are at the far left with a large blood mark on the them. His hands(which includes the wrists in Koine Greek) are in the centre with a roundish blood mark on them.There are many dozens of small blood marks caused by the the metal-tipped whips.(the image of the Shroud of Turin right below is best viewed at 125% page size). The blood marks are still bright red (instead of becoming dark brownish-red) even after almost 2000 years because: (A) A chemical they used 2000 years ago to bleach the linen cloth, which remained on the linen threads/fibers, caused Christ's blood to stay bright red. (B) On top of this, victims of an extremely tortuous and traumatic death have a chemical reaction in their red blood cells that keeps the blood red for many thousands of years. --You cannot see the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin clearly unless you put it under bright white "sunlight" type illumination. That is why in some Shroud of Turin images it is hard to see all the blood marks. (1)[ PROOF 1 continued] Let us imagine that someone wants to make a picture of a man that has blood on him from being [1] crowned with thorns, [2]scourged (whipped) over 70 times with Metal-tipped whips,[3] nailed in the hands/ wrists(the "hands" included wrists in the Koine Greek language of the New Testament and feet, [4] speared in the side{Please see the Gospel of John 19 for details}. If someone wants to match all these blood marked wounds to their correct part of the body exactly, they will first put the image of the body of the man onto the cloth and only after put on the blood marks, correctly matching the blood to the image parts, being careful not to go outside the body image area. It is impossible to put the blood marks onto the cloth first in all the wounded areas of the body image- showing the over 120 bloody wounds from being crowned with thorns,scourged (whipped), crucified by nails, and speared, in the exact, particular body part/area- and then draw or put the image of an anatomically correct man after. NO human being ,especially over 700 years ago(that is when some unbelievers say the Shroud of Turin was made- but many others believe it is from AD 30-almost 2000 years ago-but everybody agrees the Shroud of Turin is ancient{please see the linked website above for the 29 plus proofs}) can put the blood marks first and then match it with all the correct body parts(hands, feet, head, side, and whip marks with in the body outline. Yet incredibly 3 chemists(scientists) proved that the blood marks were on the Shroud of Turin first- before the yellow-brownish body image was put onto the linen cloth! They proved this by expertly removing all the blood in an area of the body image of Jesus on the linen shroud, and found no yellowish-brown colored threads underneath it. Another chemist(Raymond N. Rogers) used another technique to prove the blood marks were on first. So only God(Jesus Christ) could-and did- put the blood first onto the Shroud of Turin. This happened when Joseph of Arimathea covered Christ's dead body with a linen cloth(Matthew 27:59)- before the body image of the crucified Jesus Christ was put onto that linen cloth(the Shroud of Turin.) The yellowish-brown body image was put on the Shroud of Turin by Jesus at moment of his glorious shining resurrection. [Chemists Dr. Alan Adler and Dr. John Keller are the ones who have proved there is no image threads underneath the blood marks of the Shroud of Turin(see image of Jesus's face clearly in the below pictures) and published the evidence in 2 scientific journals, including the Journal of Applied Optics,1980,pp 2742. Chemist Raymond N. Rogers has also shown this in another way in his own book.] ---On the below left is Jesus's face part of the Shroud of Turin(the photo was taken in non-daylight illumination so the blood marks are hard to see.) The black and white image on the below right is the photographic negative of the image on the left. It is Not a special effect. Before there were the digital photos of today, all photographs were film photos which had their own negative twin. Ask your parents/grandparents to see one. (2)PROOF 2: We can certainly know that our God,Jesus, made the image on the Shroud of Turin because it is the world's first ever X Ray(radiograph). Professor of radiology Harold E. Davis (Fellow of the American College of Radiologists), Vanderbilt University radiologist Dr.Everett James and some British radiologists, have said that the Shroud of Turin's negative photo is an X Ray. [See the X Ray of Jesus's hands in the negative image of the Shroud of Turin below. Please Understand that the negative images I have put in this article are very small, old, low resolution(low quality) photos. There are new large, high resolution photos of the Shroud of Turin in which you can see the Roots of Jesus's teeth-a true X Ray and miracle!] However X Rays were invented by humans in only AD 1895. Everyone agrees that the Shroud of Turin is from a much earlier time than that. This proves that Jesus Christ made the image on the Shroud of Turin at the moment of his shining resurrection in AD 30. The image right above is a very old ,poor quality negative photo. There are new, high resolution(high detail) negative photographs of the Shroud of Turin that some radiologists have said are X Rays. According to Dr. Gary Habermas, a St.Louis dental surgeon said that the Shroud of Turin was a perfect X Ray of all the teeth of the crucified man(Jesus). The head of Harvard University's High Energy Labs in 1989, physicist Thomas Phillips, published an article in the important scientific journal Nature, in which he said that the image of the man on the Shroud of Turin was created by the miraculous bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. Please feel free to print out this article for yourself (anyone reading this article) or to strengthen the faith of others(The large picture of the Shroud of Turin with the bright red blood marks might be copyright). All you sweet people of all colors in America and around the world, you will be Royal Princesses and Princes, (under Jesus's Kingship), forever in heaven, if you believe in, and trust in Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior and God. You will be the true children of Almighty God forever. Do not let anything or anyone keep this most amazing of all destinies from you. Pray and keep praying to Jesus Christ and his Father, for faith and guidance and to be born again by the Holy Spirit [Read Luke 11:-13... Jesus will answer if you keep asking and knocking.] See you in heaven sisters and brothers. Yours-in-Christ, Rony
  5. Hi Bay, welcome to CTF! Yes Psalms is amazing. Psalms 22:1's beginning says "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me ?" Lord Almighty Jesus is recorded as saying this same words as it's recorded in Mark 15:34. Psalm 22:16 says : " ... They pierced my hands and feet." This was written in about 1030 BC! This was 500 years before any type of crucifixion was invented! Psalms 22:16 is strong evidence that the Almighty "I AM" God inspired the words of the Holy Bible. One of my very favorite books in the Holy Bible is the Gospel of Mark. There are many reasons I love it but I'll only mention a few: --One reason is that it records Jesus's words (Mark 15:34) which -as I said above- was written in Psalm 22:1. Also Mark 15:24 says the Roman soldiers divided Christ's clothes amongst them by throwing lots as Psalm 22:18 predicted over 1000 years before it happened to Jesus! --Another reason is that Mark 15:46 ( also in Matthew 27:59) clearly says that Jesus's body was wrapped in a linen burial cloth. The Holy Spirit has preserved it for almost 2000 years, so we still have it with us today! Jesus's actual burial cloth is known today as "the Shroud of Turin". Here is a good website about it: http://www.theshroudofturin.blogspot.com The notable evangelical scholar Professor Gary Habermas (Liberty University) has said that the Shroud of Turin is authentic. Please go to the right side of the above linked website and click on the "overwhelming evidence" link so that you can quickly learn why we can prove that the Shroud of Turin is really Christ's burial cloth. Please share, if you want to, the above link with friends and family or just tell them to Google : Shroud Turin Blog Spot (I don't have any relation to that website.) Yours-in Christ, Rony
  6. Here is absolute proof in ancient stone from 691 BC that the Bible is true. See the photo at the bottom after you read this. In Isaiah 36 and 37 of the Old Testament in the Bible, the story of how Jesus Christ's ancestor King Hezekiah was protected by the almighty God "I AM"(also known as Yahweh-who is Jesus of course), from the most powerful king in the world back in 701 BC, (King Sennacherib), is told. Amazingly, British archaeologists in 1830 discovered in Iraq, writings on stone prisms by King Sennacherib about how he surrounded King Hezekiah in Jerusalem, with his army from Nineveh. But Sennacherib never wrote that he conquered Jerusalem. This is because the angel of the Lord God " I AM"(known also as Yahweh-who is Jesus) destroyed most of his army. Now understand that Sennacherib did not also write that his army was destroyed because that as the most powerful king in the whole world , it would be very shameful to write this down -especially in stone that would last for thousands years. But King Sennacherib wanted to kill King Hezekiah( because Hezekiah had convinced many nations in the ancient Middle East to not give tribute[ a lot of money and gifts you had to pay to every year to the strongest country/nation in the world in 701 BC - which was Sennacherib's Assyria] and take over or destroy Jerusalem. I again tell you (because it is a key point) Sennacherib did Not write that he killed King Hezekiah and he did Not write he conquered Jerusalem. Sennacherib just wrote that he surrounded Jerusalem and then he quickly ran back home to Nineveh and told Hezekiah to send money and gifts after he got home. King Sennacherib was scared like a mouse seeing a cat when he saw his army destroyed by the Angel of the Lord God "I AM". (Please read Isaiah 36 and 37 for this amazing proven story!) So Sennacherib wrote down most of what happened when he tried to destroy Hezekiah and Jerusalem- but of course he proved he could not destroy them by writing that he, Sennacherib, in the end, just told Hezekiah send him some money(gold and silver) after Sennacherib reached his home of Nineveh. Thankfully he did write down King Hezekiah's name. So, amazingly we have extra-biblical ( from outside the Bible) proof that King Hezekiah was a real person. And he was an ancestor of Jesus of Nazareth. So we can really, really trust the book of Isaiah and the Bible is completely true. fromhttp://windowintothebible.com (Please wait 3-11 seconds for the link pg. to load then 1) click on Inscriptions Icon (2) click OT Era Warfare (3)Jerusalem and Hezekiah icon And please tell friends about it.) The above photo is the Sennacherib's Prism which is in Chicago, USA. There are 2 other prisms like it exactly with Sennacherib's writing about King Hezekiah. One is called the Taylor Prism. The Gospel of Matthew (in the Bible; I am saying this for people around the world who might have never heard about the Gospel of Matthew) mentions in the beginning of Chapter 1, that Hezekiah is an ancestor of our God Jesus Christ. The writing is in the ancient Akkadian cuneiform script. When the Sennacherib Prism and the Taylor Prism were discovered in 1830, no one in the world knew how to read it. This means that No one could have made the Sennacherib Prism as a fake! Scholars only learned how to read the prisms years later. The Sennacherib and Taylor and Jerusalem Prisms are undisputedly authentic. This means that every archaeologist and scholar knows it is absolutely real. Jesus answered, " I tell you, if these become silent the stones themselves will cry out."- Luke 19:40(Bible) Jesus Christ the true God, loves all you sweet people of all colors, of all the countries and nations around the world . Jesus's Father(the true God also) will give you life in Heaven forever as a free gift - but only if you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and God and believe the Gospel(Good News). The Gospel/Good News is: Jesus Christ of Nazareth was, and is Almighty God and that he is, and was also a real man at the same time. He was crucified (nailed to a cross) and killed by Pontius Pilate. (His blood was spilled and he died to wash away all your sins.) Then Jesus was buried and he rose from the dead(became alive again) on the 3rd day. And that anyone who believes this and trusts in Jesus Christ to take him/her to heaven forever, is saved(born again) and will for sure go to heaven. Please believe in Jesus Christ my dear friends all around the world. Talk to Jesus and His Father. You are their child if you believe in(and trust) Jesus and his Gospel. Love them and talk to them. Please know that Jesus Christ said that everyone will know you follow him if you love one another. You will be Royal Kings and Royal Queens forever and ever. Co-heirs under Almighty Jesus and his Father and the Holy Spirit, the Bible promises!
  7. Hi again WillowFirst let me show you Jesus Christ's real burial cloth which is mentioned in Matthew 27:59 and Mark 15:46 and 5 other places in the Gospels of the N.T. It is called the Shroud of Turin.We can prove it is authentic(real) because: (1)the chemists Drs. Alan Adler and J. Heller and Dr. Raymond Rogers, found that there is no picture/image under the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin. Let me explain it this way: let us say someone was making a picture of a human body that had blood on it because the person was nailed in the hands(in the Koine Greek of the New Testament "hands" included the wrists) and feet, and also speared in the side torso, and crowned with thorns. This image had also had hundreds of blood marks all over the body from being whipped with metal-tipped whips. The person making this picture must print or draw the body FIRST and then put the blood marks on the body picture after. Otherwise you could not line up the blood marks with the wounds on the hands(in Koine Greek hands included wrists), feet , head , torso side, and whipping wounds all over the body. Well 3 top American chemists including Dr. Alan Adler, proved that the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin were on it BEFORE the body picture of Jesus Christ, because these chemists showed that there was no picture on the cloth's fibers under the blood marks. Dr. Alan Adler carefully removed a blood mark on the body image of the Shroud of Turin and found no picture under it. So the picture with the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin must have been made by someone who could do the Impossible work of putting hundreds of real blood marks on a linen cloth FIRST and then putting the crucified and speared and whipped body picture on AFTER , while perfectly matching up and lining up the different wounded body parts with the ALREADY THERE blood marks. That someone who did this impossible thing was our God Jesus at the moment of His shining resurrection , when the glorius LIGHT from his body that was rising from the dead supernaturally, printed His image on to the linen Shroud of Turin. *Chemists Dr. Alan Adler Dr. John Heller have published this proof in two scientific peer-reviewed journals including the Journal of Applied Optics,1980 pp.2742. And the renowned chemist Dr. Raymond Rogers also independently proved this in own published book. Here is a photo of half of the actual linen cloth that they buried the Lord Almighty Jesus as the Gospel of Matthew 27:59 and the other Gospels declare. It has now come to be called the Shroud of Turin. Even the important evangelical scholar Gary Habermas of Liberty University and evangelical author Ravi Zacharias and David Mainse ,all think that the Shroud of Turin is Christ's real burial shroud. ^ ^ Jesus's hands(includes wrists in Koine Greek) above red arrow.See the red circle of blood in the centre. Jesus's head is above dark the blue arrow. The image below, on the left, is the head and face of Lord Jesus on the the Shroud of Turin linen cloth. The black and white image on the right is the negative photo image of the face of Lord Jesus on the same Shroud of Turin. Negative photo images were common before digital cameras became popular- just ask your parents or grandparents to see one. Here is a link to a good site about the Shroud of Turin: to all who are reading this please tell your friends about this website. http://www.theshroudofturin.blogspot.com (see link at the very bottom of my other thread : Image of Real Face of Jesus from the Shroud of Turin in "the Bible" section here at CTF.) (2) The second reason we can know that our God Jesus created the image on the Shroud of Turin is because it is the world's first X ray image as seen in the black and white total body image of the whole Shroud of Turin- you can see most of the negative image of this shroud in my thread "Image of the Real Face of Jesus" in the "Christian Walk section " of CTF in "the Bible " subsection. Professor of radiology ( a medical doctor who teaches X ray science) Harold E. Davis , who is a Fellow of the American College of Radiologists and fmr. Vanderbilt U. radiologist Everett James, and also other professors of anatomy, have said that the Shroud of Turin is an X ray image. There are about 30 or more great proofs that the Shroud of Turin is really Christ's burial cloth and you can search within the above website (linked) I have given. (To all who are reading this: tell friends and family about the linked website). Thanks Willow for hoping that I will find peace about my little 6 year old sister's death(she suffered a lot of pain for a long time before she died a few days after Christmas.) I have found peace because Jesus lives inside me- I am Born-again! But sometimes my memory flashes back to when my Dad said " she was a good girl" that night of her death when my small family huddled together. -[ My Dad who was my best friend also died some years later]...please remember that our God Jesus did not promise an easy life for born-again Christians, but the Good News is that Jesus promises us that He will be In us and With us through all our terrible suffering and pain .And then when we die (life goes by really fast) or when Christ returns to earth -whichever comes first, we Christians of all ages and colors around the world will be glorified and rewarded by the Eternal God ,Savior and Judge,Jesus Christ, with unending life in heaven .... but even FAR more: we will become true PRINCESSES and Princes (co-heirs) of this universe and of everything there is , forever(see New Testament's Romans 8:17! Just as amazing is that Lord Jesus says we are Born-again right here in this life on earth and become the very children of Almighty Jesus and His Father- the instant we accept and believe in and trust in ,and that, Jesus of Nazareth is Almighty God and our personal Savior , and believe Jesus was whipped horribly and then crucified( shed His Godly blood by being nailed to death on His cross for cleaning us of all our sins) and then buried and then rose from the dead bodily and went to heaven after appearing First to Mary Magdalene and the eleven apostles, then to 500 more people( I'm saying this for the youth around the world reading this, who are not born-again.) ( I have felt His loving presence through my own suffering. I would Not be alive today if Jesus had not been with and In me through all the trouble I've been through. I have actually Not told you what my greatest troubles in life have been--it is Not my sister's, and my Dad's or 2 of my dear Uncle's deaths... I just can't write about it here. But one lady cried out in horror when I told her about the other things ; and a nurse told my sibling that I've been through too much suffering .Life on Earth HURTS! But Jesus is with us while we suffer so we can have hope and joy,love, and courage, despite our circumstances. This life is over in a moment-it's way too short to stay sad about this thing or that thing. (Yes I been through lots of very painful times, but remember that more than 212 million Christians all over this world face extreme persecution( though not in the Western world). 970 000 Christians have been martyred(purposely killed for their love of Jesus) since just 2005 ,according to the Centre for the Study of Global Christianity. Did you know that over the last 14 years that thousands of Christian children and teenagers in Iraq said they will never deny Jesus Christ when they were threatened with certain death by some bad,misguided men? Those unbelieving men had told the children that they could live if they simply just said that :"Jesus is not my God and Savior." But the born-again children said (according to eye-witnesses) that they love Jesus too much to deny Him! The children were then killed. The Iraqi children's first priority in life was to glorify Jesus. They also knew that they would soon be in heaven with their beloved Jesus and His Father.( Those children will receive a very special crown/rewards in heaven for their special martyrdom.) Those beautiful Christian children of Iraq were given strength and courage and boundless faith by the power of Jesus Christ-through the Holy Spirit who lives in all born-again Christians. *****These thousands of Iraqi Christian volunteer child martyrs' unbending faith in, trust in and love of Jesus Christ, prove that our great God Jesus (who is the Great "I AM" of Exodus 3:14 and John 8:58)did not Lie when He said He will never leave us or forsake those who are truly born-again. This genocide of Iraqi Christians has been recognised unanimously by the parliament( government) of Great Britain(the UK), the European Union, and the United States Congress . Almost a million Christians have been martyred in other countries also since 2008. The Apostle Paul-in the book of Romans in the Bible- said that Christians he knew were being "slaughtered(killed) like sheep"... and the New Testament's book of Revelation prophesied(predicted-I am explaining for youth around the world whose language isn't primarily English) multitudes of Christians will be killed just because of their love of Jesus Christ. *******Please if you live in the USA, write to US Vice-president Pence asking them to let Iraqi Christian immigrants come live in the USA. You can write instantly to him by clicking on the LINK below. Remember that it was the USA's invasion of Iraq in 2003 that has eventually caused 2 million Iraqi Christians to disappear from the country! Tell your Christian friends if they live in the USA, to write,(also anyone who is reading this who is living the USA-you will be saving a Christian child's life...Jesus said what you do to a Christian brother/sister in need. you do it to Him.********** The LINK to the US Whitehouse and VP Pence: https://whitehouse.gov/contact/ My God Jesus, and His Father and the Holy Spirit are always with me through my troubles(I so love you sweetest Lord Jesus-I know I am your beloved child and you always help and bless me when I pray in faith and love. I will "wait upon the Lord "with great patience. ) One simple quick proof of the authenticity(trueness) of the Bible is what the famous classicist(Greco- Roman historian) Michael Grant wrote about: ancient 2000 year old coins. Here (below) is an actual picture of Salome-the step-daughter of tetrarch(a ruler) Herod Antipas and daughter of Herodias. Salome asked that John the Baptist be killed -Gospel of Matthew 14:6-11.(but this image is of her when she is much older.) King Herod Agrippa the First(i) on left(almost 2000 years old) There are also real images on coins of King Herod Agrippa the First(the grandson of the King Herod who tried to kill baby Jesus Christ)! Herod Agrippa (i) killed Apostle James and had Apostle Peter(Cephas) put in prison as Acts 12:1-2 says. **Most amazingly there is a picture on several coins of Agrippa's own son: King Herod Agrippa(ii) the Second. His words to Apostle Paul are in the NT's book of Acts 26 :28!! So we have real images of important people from the New Testament, including our Lord God Jesus Christ! It is clear when we choose to simply use faith that we can trust our God Jesus Christ . Romans 10:17 declares that faith comes from hearing the Word of God. There are thousands of evidences from fulfilled prophecy, archaeology, numismatics(coin investigation), historical writings and ancient biblical Greek papyrus manuscripts(MSS) and the testimony of a million Christians who have been killed for their faith(martyred since 2005 but hundreds of millions of born-again people have been killed for being Christian since Jesus Christ rose from the dead) as the NT's Revelation predicted clearly. The Bible, the true Word of God can be trusted by faith simply; or by faith plus evidences. Jesus Christ declared in the NT's John 14:6 that He,Jesus, is the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one can come to the Father except by Him. So Willow (and others reading this) we have to first be born-again by believing IN (not just"about") Jesus Christ. This means we must believe: who the Bible says He is (John 20:28 and a hundred other verses say Jesus is Almighty God and the Christ-Savior),and what He did through His Cross and resurrection. And also Trust that Jesus will definitely and positively save us from Hell by giving us everlasting life in Heaven, as the Bible's John 3:14-16 says. And by believing IN Jesus, we must let Him come and live in our soul +mind+ heart; and Jesus will put the desire in your soul+heart to want to glorify Him and live for Him. ***We must also "know" Jesus and our Father in heaven. He says this in John 17:3. This means to LOVE Him by praying to Jesus and his Father, reading Christ's words(see the Gospel of John), sharing the Good News of Jesus with the unsaved in a gentle way(but do not waste your time on people who just want to talk and talk-life is too short and billions of people want hear about and to believe in Jesus Christ), helping other Christian children and people( Jesus very importantly said that He gives us a new commandment(Only God can give a new Commandment,so Jesus is clearly God): this new commandment is to really LOVE one and other- meaning your fellow Christians in your home, church and around the earth). So we must have a relationship with Jesus Christ and His (and our heavenly) Father. ( I completely adore my sweet Lord Almighty Jesus and our heavenly Father and the Holy Almighty Spirit.) (This Holy Spirit is God also, and comes to live in your soul and body at the very moment you are born-again by accepting Jesus Christ of Nazareth as your personal God and Savior and by believing and trusting IN Jesus Christ to wash your sins away and save you( I explained what you must believe above in red. Please talk to a Christian pastor.) The Holy Spirit ,once you are born-again will help you do the things that seem impossible or kind of hard.You CANNOT live the born-again Christian life without the Holy Spirit giving you Power every second to face anything . The Holy Spirit is called the Comforter because He will bring joy and peace to a born-again person, no matter what they are going through. Our lives are very, very, very short on earth- even if you live to 120 years of age. Terrible problems will come but they will go away one day soon. Do not get sad over this thing or that thing.......Lord Jesus promises to wipe every tear from our eyes in heaven, the book of Revelation declares. Christians sometimes forget that Apostle Paul (in the Bible's book of Philippians 3:20) says that our citizenship is in heaven, not of this world. In July 20, 1969 , humans first landed on the Moon in the famous Apollo 11 mission. The three Apollo 11 astronauts knew that once they left the comfort of the earth they needed Jesus Christ to guide them safely to the moon and back. A million things could easily go wrong so that's why astronaut Buzz Aldrin took the Bible's Gospel of John 15:5 with them to the moon on an index card. And Buzz Aldrin did pray that verse a few minutes after he landed on the moon. The immortal, and true words of Jesus Christ were read on the moon in humanity's very first visit to it. And Buzz Aldrin took Holy Communion(Eucharist) on the moon also. Astronaut Aldrin knew that there was a 50% or greater chance that they would die on their trip to the moon. US President Nixon even had a speech ready to tell the world that the Apollo 11 astronauts died! But Buzz also knew that he was born-again and his citizenship is in Heaven - no matter what happened.(please see his book Magnificent Desolation.) LINK: (please type"Buzz Aldrin" in the guideposts " search -magnifying glass symbol" at top right after you click on the link) https://www.guideposts.org/better-living/life-advice/finding-find-purpose/guideposts-classics-buzz-aldrin-on-communion-in-space Our citizenship is in heaven -for those of all colors and nations around the globe, who really love and believe In(not just about) Almighty Jesus Christ of Nazareth. We are Royal PRINCESSES and PRINCES ," co-heirs" of everything, along with and under the King of Kings, Jesus of Nazareth. And this greatest of gifts is because of Jesus of Nazareth, His Father and the Holy Spirit. They are the One true God. 1 John 4:7-8 says that a person who is born of God(born-again) loves other Christians: because God is Love. Please feel free to print out any of my threads and share it freely.The ancient coin pictures are used under ''Fair Use" law. All praise to the Father, the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. All glory and power is theirs forever.
  8. Hi Willow , I'm so glad you asked what you did above. We can today "prove" that the Bible is true using outside the Bible(extra-biblical) evidences! But first let me say a few things. My only little sister who I loved with all my heart, died when she was 6 and a half years old. My dear uncle Alex helped my family through that unbelievably sad time ... but he was murdered a few years later. There are things even way sadder that happened to me that I just don't want to write about right now. But my God, who is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, was with me through all the my sadness, fear, disappointment, and even anger.(Jesus said Christians will have troubles in this earthly life but He promises to be with us through the suffering .)I know I will see my loved ones in Heaven one day. Life on Earth is over very quickly-even if you live to 99 years old. So our problems and troubles will also be gone by sort of fast, and after we die we will stand before the Lord Almighty Jesus. Those who believed that he is God and was crucified and died and rose again to save them from their sins and trusted Jesus Christ to completely save them, will be allowed to live in Heaven forever. Yes, the Bible is the main way we learn about the most amazing love that our God, Jesus, showed for us and His plan of Salvation ,offered freely to all of humanity. We know the words of the Bible are true simply by faith. But incredibly we can also know the Bible is true by prophecy coming true and by Incredible archaeology. Did you know we have a found king Hezekiah's WALL from Isaiah 36 and 37, which surrounded Jerusalem over 2700 years ago. We also have King Hezekiah's name and the story of Isaiah 36 anf 37 OUTSIDE the Bible- Written by the most powerful King in the world back in the year 2700 BC-King Sennacherib of Assyria. It is called the TAYLOR PRISM. Please click on the LINK below. ****** http://windowintothebible.com/hezekiah-and-jerusalem******* King Hezekiah was a direct ancestor of Jesus! !! There is also a real stone 80 feet long PICture of the battle of LACHISH in Isaiah 36:2! **Google: Lachish Relief Also Google: "50 people proven to exist in Bible" the list you will see is just of Old Testament people(they will find proof of more people in the future but it takes a lot of money -- a lot of houses and buildings have been built over the areas with the buried ancient artifacts(pieces of evidence) of Bible persons. Please also see my thread here on our CTF The Bible subforum:"Image Of Jesus's Real Face". It has a LINK at the bottom of the page to an amazing Shroud of Turin website! The Shroud of Turin has Jesus's real picture supernaturally printed on it at the moment of Christ's Shining resurrection. We can know this by several proofs as I say in the thread. We can even see the still existing 2000 year old steps of the ancient "Second Temple" where Jesus would sometimes preached from. Jesus overturned the money changers tables behind the wall of the Southern Steps. SEE :Below is a LINK. ***http://theranch.org/2010/11/08/lesson-21-what-happened-at-the-southern-steps/ Jesus Christ, and His Father and the Holy Spirit(they are the One Almighty God; i.e. 1x1x1=1 God) cannot lie or deceive. Thousands of evidences from ancient archaeology Prove that our God, Jesus Christ, did not lie when He inspired men to write it by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Also many things that were predicted thousands of years ago have come true. Please read Zechariah 14:12-15. Many Bible experts say that what happens to the army and animals in those verses is the Effect of Nuclear bombs! This actually happened to some people in the year 1945(World War 2) in Hiroshima, Japan! It will happen on a larger scale in the future. The Bible can be completely trusted. You can trust in it by Either Faith Alone or by Faith and Evidences/proofs from archaeology! The Lord Almighty Jesus Christ and His Father and the Holy Spirit, loVe you and all the people of all countries of this world so much. But they will not force anyone to accept the Free Gift of Eternal life in Heaven by accepting Jesus Christ as their God and personal Savior. One must believe In Almighty Jesus Christ to be saved from hell. You and those precious ,wonderful people all around the world who believe in, and love, Jesus Christ as their God and personal Savior, will be Royal Princesses and Princes forever and ever. You will become the true child of Almighty God. Do not let anyone stop you from believing this and taking this most Amazing Destiny from you. Yours-in Christ with much agape love, Rony (rozzy) P.S. : In the New Testament's Gospel of Luke 21:25 Jesus Christ predicted that the "...nations will be perplexed(worried) and in anguish by the roar and tossing of the sea and the waves." The oceans are rising(some countries such as the Maldives are being swallowed by the sea/ocean. NASA has said hurricanes have gotten much stronger over the past 25 years, whipping up bigger waves. Nations are truly worried and troubled by the rising ocean/sea and the waves.... Jesus Christ is always right because he is Almighty God.
  9. Professor Gary Habermas of the evangelical Liberty University recently said the Shroud of Turin is certainly the burial cloth of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
  10. Famous Christian evangelists Ravi Zacharias and David Mainse said the Shroud of Turin is the real burial cloth of Jesus of Nazareth!
  11. Professor Gary Habermas of Liberty University said that a St.Louis, Missouri dental surgeon said you can see many teeth and roots on the black and white negative Shroud of Turin image. It is the most perfect dental X-ray possible , the St.Louis dental surgeon explained. Only God(Jesus) could have made it.
  12. Scientists Dr. Alan Adler, Dr. John Heller and Dr. Raymond Rogers have written that there is no "image/picture" under the blood marks on the Shroud of Turin!(See picture below.) What this proves is that the blood stains were on the Shroud of Turin first before the image of Christ's face and body. This proves that someone did not in some way make the image and then just add blood on top of the image/picture. Remember there is No image/picture threads underneath the blood stains. (Dr. Alan Adler has proven this.) This (image right above) is half of the Shroud of Turin in bright sunlight.(In some pictures of the shroud the blood is hard to see because there is no super white daylight in the photo.) The blood is still red because Jesus was greatly tortured by being hit in the face:; crowned with long thorns;then whipped with metal-tipped whips ; then forced to carry a cross, and then crucified by ten inch nails. This Shroud of Turin picture is sideways - with Jesus's head sideways on the right side, and his hands having a dot of blood, in the exact center of the picture. His legs are going from the center to the left side, covered in many marks of blood, and with a large dot of blood on His feet, at the left edge of the above image. It is so important to know that their is no picture threads under the red blood stains because this proves for sure that someone did not just make up the picture on the Shroud of Turin. Only Jesus Christ's resurrection in shining glory could make the image on the shroud because: (1) The blood went onto the shroud First. The picture came on the shroud after.(no yellow picture threads under the blood marks.)No one, but Almighty God can put the picture of a crucified and whipped Jesus on linen after the hundreds of blood markings were First put on the shroud . (2) As Professor of Radiology Harold E. Davis and other radiologists have said , the Shroud of Turin is like an X-ray. You can see Jesus's spine bones , hand bones and even teeth roots in very clear and life-size photographs of the shroud.(Sorry that I am not able to show you them.) But go back to the black and white photo negative of Jesus's arms and hands in my OP and see what you can see. However the photos I have shown are too small and not high definition. There are high definition life-size photos of the Shroud of Turin which clearly show that the shroud is an miraculous X-ray. Remember the Bible says that "God so loved the world that he gave His only son that whoever believes in Him(Jesus) shall have eternal life (in Heaven)."-John 3:16
  13. {Below are images of Jesus's real face and mid body and arms.)Matthew 27:59 says, "Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth." After Jesus was killed, his body was wrapped in a linen cloth by Joseph of Arimathea, the Bible declares. I will prove that Jesus's followers safely kept his burial cloth(a shroud) unto this very day. It is famously known as the Shroud of Turin.(The evangelical LIBERTY University professor and historian Gary Habermas has said that the Shroud of Turin is the real burial cloth of Jesus. Please Google : Habermas Shroud of Turin ) - There is a link at the end of this article to a good website about the Shroud of Turin. Mark 15:46, Luke 23:53, Luke 24:12, John 19:40 ,and John 20:5 and 20:6 also mention the linen cloth and linen cloths. Seven times Jesus's linen burial cloth is mentioned by the Bible -so it is important to know this! [ Please understand that Jesus's body also had 3 strips of linen tied on it: one strip of linen tied around his chin to his head-top and another 2 strips of linen tied around his wrists and ankles plus the linen shroud(linen cloth) . That is why some translations say strips of linen in only Luke 24:12 and John 19:40 and 20:5, 6. but it's best to say linen cloths.] The light brownish picture shown in the lower left is a photo of the face part of Jesus's burial cloth, the Shroud of Turin; and the black and white picture is a negative photo of the same face of the same Shroud of Turin. The image of Jesus is on a linen cloth. No paint or coloring of any type is on the cloth. Even with today's technology no one can copy it because Dr. August Accetta M.D., and physicist( a type of scientist) John Jackson say the Shroud of Turin has X-ray type features in several areas like the mouth(the roots of teeth can be seen!) and his hands (the bones can be seen ;see image at bottom of page ). *Please understand that the small pictures on this page of the Shroud of Turin are not very good compared with other better,life sized photographs of the shroud; so you cannot see his teeth in these low definition pictures. The Shroud of Turin is almost 2000 years old - from the year AD 30. We know it's from 30 AD because of some careful coin detective work which I will now explain: We have coins from the year AD 692(over 1300 years ago) that have many of the features of the Shroud of Turin's face image! These incredible similarities between the AD 692 coins(called Justinian II gold solidus coins) and the Shroud of Turin are called Vignon markings. Below is a picture of the Justinian II gold solidus coin. If you could see the actual Shroud of Turin ,which is in Turin, Italy,(my picture is too small and fuzzy) and compare it to the Justinian II solidus coin, you would clearly see that both have: 1) a split beard -because Roman soldiers pulled out some of his beard as the Old Testament predicted!!! 2) a bump on the nose (look at both carefully- but remember these are small pictures , if you could see the real Shroud of Turin it would be easier to see) 3) A gap in the beard right below the lower lip 4) well defined right and left cheekbones 5) A streak across the throat There are even more similarities in this coin and other Justinian II solidus coins from 692 AD. (First we must understand that this coin was minted(made) back in AD 692 when they could not see the black and white photo negative of the linen shroud of Turin - because photography was not invented until the 19th century AD. So the coin maker could only look at the light brownish image(left rectangle picture) on the linen shroud of Turin. And in the light brownish image(left rectangle picture) the eyes look open as the coin maker made in the above gold coin picture.) Please understand this: The similarities between the Shroud of Turin and the Justinian II gold solidus coin prove that the Shroud of Turin must have existed at in AD 692. But civilization and life was so primitive and simple in AD 692, that there was no way on earth to make an X-ray picture like the one on the Shroud of Turin ( we can't even do it today) They did not even know how to make simple things like adhesive masking tape back then. (Remember no paint, ink or coloring is on the Shroud of Turin). So only God(Jesus Christ) could have made it; then it must be the actual linen cloth that Joseph of Arimathea wrapped Jesus Christ's body in AD 30. Below is a negative photo of Jesus's forearms, hands and mid-body from the same Shroud of Turin. ***Professor of Radiology(a doctor who looks at X-rays)Harold E. Davis( a fellow of the American College of Radiologists) and former Vanderbilt University radiologist Everett James say the Shroud of Turin looks like an X-ray. This is miraculous because the Shroud of Turin is from AD 30 but X-rays were only invented in AD 1895! This proves that Jesus himself made the picture on the shroud at the moment of His shining resurrection. Please google: Duke Shroud X-RAY One final point is that in 1989 the brilliant physicist(a scientist) Thomas Phillips, who is a professor,( with a PhD from Harvard University), wrote an article that said that the Shroud of Turin's image was caused by the miraculous bodily resurrection of Jesus![article appeared in the journal "Nature"] All praise to Almighty Jesus Christ, and to his Almighty Father and to the Almighty Holy Spirit. Here is a link to a good website about the Shroud of Turin: http://www.theshroudofturin.blogspot.com Sweet people of all colors around the world ,please accept Jesus Christ as your God and Savior(Bible's John 3:16). Believing in Jesus to save you is the only way to live in Heaven forever. Your replies are very welcome.