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John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

True, but the Word is not the word (i.e. the Bible). The Word is Christ--the Bible is the written record of God's spoken word.

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I think He understood that... I mean, my physical Bible clearly isn't immutable, eternal, self-sufficient, etc. but the Words God communicates through the Holy Spirit are contained within it. That settles that?

Btw, is there anyone who struggles with masturbation who actually flees from the sin? In other words, knowing yourself and your own weaknesses, steering clear of possible temptations, storing the Word in your heart, and flat out running to a safe place when you are tempted? Joseph did it in Genesis 39.

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I think most male Christians have been there mate and we've mostly got through it too.

I always find that the best way is to stay pure throughout the day, so wake up get your mindset right by reading Bible and praying straight away and keep to the Commandments all day. If you keep to this 'pure' state of mind then you won't even think of mastubating or of watching porn. (This worked with me anyway)

Remember - temptation leads you to things which are nice looking and fruitful on the outside. But once you bite into it, it's bitter and bad-tasting

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Ben I must disagree. I have tested every method, and that is one of the least effective methods...agh it must be understood that while sexual addictions are like drug addictions in some ways, it goes to a spiritual depth that drugs do not.

You want to beat lust? you want to stop masturbating? you want to stop viewing porn?

Then here is your answer

Love God

Its all about loving God. If you love God, you will obey his commands. In love you surrender to the Holy Spirit, in love you desire Christ. Do you love God? If you don't, fall in love with him. Does a man have to be forced to give flowers to the woman he loves? Must he be begged to spend time with her? No. Why? because he loves her. He WANTS to do those things. That want, that desire comes with loving God.

Its simple, yet the most challenging thing about being a christian.

Truly love God.

Ask yourself, do I love God, do I truly desire to do His will, or do I want to do this more? Don't be afraid to face the facts my friend. Find the truth, and from there work to building a relationship totally in love with Christ. Its your only hope.

hey that kind of method really works. God can heal you if you keep faith in Him. for people who don't want to completely give up masturbation, i mean you can eventuallky masturbate without porn. and once you have taken that step, you can start limiting that to a few times a period, to a couple times, to none at all. of course you will do it again, but very rarely if you try. a funny method is to have a picture of something horrendous sexually near your computer (your grandma, and ugly woman).

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Big stuff there. At the moment I'm only five days free from porn. Its gotta be the hardest battle to fight in the world. You should take a look at every young man's battle. Its possibly the best book I've ever read regarding my faith, and its only based on sexual impurity.

I've got an accountability partner but I don't think its a necessary thing. I definitely believe it helps cuz Its really hard to function without but Job managed to make and keep a covenant with his eyes and it doesn't mention an accountability partner. The easiest thing to do is to give up. Its a constant pressure for me and it really feels pretty overwhelming alot. Dear x, you don't own me.

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I honestly don't see anything wrong with porn. Two consenting adults are paid for you to watch them, so you are not sneaking like a pervert. It can be a deterrent from having a lot of urges in life. You need to something to take the load off, because you can't just shove those feelings deep down inside every time.

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Well well well, this sure took off while I was gone...

Well, as of an hour ago I went a week and a half...

Then about 59 minutes ago I decided to fail and here we are again...

I know whats causing it, though. ...Not that I really want to discuss it on an open forum, but I know what it is, at least.

Figured I'd stop by again and say thanks for the advice guys.

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Well well well, this sure took off while I was gone...

Well, as of an hour ago I went a week and a half...

Then about 59 minutes ago I decided to fail and here we are again...

I know whats causing it, though. ...Not that I really want to discuss it on an open forum, but I know what it is, at least.

Figured I'd stop by again and say thanks for the advice guys.

Dude, that's awesome that you figured out what is triggering your impulse to do that stuff. I would highly recommend getting an accountability partner in person, but know that if you need someone to talk to about things I'm here. Just shoot me an PM. :)

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What might help you a lot is to not necessarily cut it all off at once, but to just stop watching porn. You don't need to quit masturbating right away. Most people do at your age, it's hard not to, and it's not really a "sin." Eventually you will loose interest in masturbation and it will only happen once every few weeks or so. Try to keep busy doing other things, when you feel the urge to indulge yourself, read the Bible. It helped me a lot when I quit smoking pot. I didn't have a hard time getting off the porn, luckily that was easy for me. But they are in a sense the same thing to God.

Ask yourself what do you feel condemned for? Masturbation or watching porn? Or both together? Like others have said, taking your computer out of your room might help as well.

God bless.

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Can I say as graciously as I can, ignore the advice given so far as none of it will work in your case.

There is a standout that has to be addressed and that is...you don't want to give it up. You say you do but in reality you don't. And the reason is that it has become part of your personality through which you express yourself.

The reason that this is happening is that it has become a security blanket for you becasue of some emotional conflict in your life or an experience of rejection.

The truth is, the problem is not the porn or the jacking off. It is what is making you do it and until you deal with that you will keep doing it.

I feel that you need deliverance from whatever it is that makes you do this. Ask the Lord to bring someone across your path that is aware of these things and can pray release for you.

Once the effects of the emotional trauma or rejection are dealt with the other will solve itself.

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I see what wotsupdoc is saying, but I didn't have any emotional problems. I was never beaten or anything. The only thing that really happened to me was my parents got divorced, but I was 14 and "mature" enough to understand what was happening. I just liked watching porn because I had and still do have raging hormones. I'm assuming he's a teenager, and when you're a teenager that's what happens.

If you do, on the other hand, have previous issues that need to be addressed, by all means address them and conclude them. But from what he said, it sounds like he's a regular teenager who likes watching porn, like every other teen on the planet. The difference is he feels convicted because he knows he shouldn't be doing it, which is good! If you didn't feel convicted, you would be ignorant to it, thus being ignorant to sin.

But I will pray for you. God bless.

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I see what wotsupdoc is saying, but I didn't have any emotional problems. I was never beaten or anything. The only thing that really happened to me was my parents got divorced, but I was 14 and "mature" enough to understand what was happening. I just liked watching porn because I had and still do have raging hormones. I'm assuming he's a teenager, and when you're a teenager that's what happens.

It is very important that we do not make statements based on assumptions. To deal with the last first, I nor any of my teenage friends had the slightest interest in porn. We were too busy enjoying all that life had to offer.

From what I have seen, read and heard, divorce always causes trauma, regardless of how "mature" you are. Very often it becomes apparent in your own marriage, which ends in....divorce.

Apart from the fact that it was never God's will that you experienced divorce so your emotions will have taken a battering. One way to overcome that is to be "mature" about it but it only covers it up it doesn't deal with it.

Some experts believe that divorce is akin to death which very few are not affected by when it happens in their family.

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Let's start from the beginning, shall we?

It is very important that we do not make statements based on assumptions.
The reason that this is happening is that it has become a security blanket for you becasue of some emotional conflict in your life or an experience of rejection.

Right here, wotsupdoc, you've contradicted yourself. You do not know that an emotional conflict or an experience of rejection caused this, you can only assume as much, which caution against in your next post.

To deal with the last first, I nor any of my teenage friends had the slightest interest in porn. We were too busy enjoying all that life had to offer.

You're one of the lucky ones. Many, believer or non, are not as lucky.

Can I say as graciously as I can, ignore the advice given so far as none of it will work in your case.

There is a standout that has to be addressed and that is...you don't want to give it up. You say you do but in reality you don't. And the reason is that it has become part of your personality through which you express yourself.

The reason that this is happening is that it has become a security blanket for you becasue of some emotional conflict in your life or an experience of rejection.

The truth is, the problem is not the porn or the jacking off. It is what is making you do it and until you deal with that you will keep doing it.

I feel that you need deliverance from whatever it is that makes you do this. Ask the Lord to bring someone across your path that is aware of these things and can pray release for you.

Once the effects of the emotional trauma or rejection are dealt with the other will solve itself.

Nothing "makes" someone look at porn. Something can tempt them, but they are ultimately responsible for the action they take.

Also, while this could involve spiritual bondage, it does not neccessarily have to be one. Everyone is tempted, but that doesn't mean that everyone is in bondage. Jesus was tempted by Satan, yet no one would say that Jesus was in bondage because of it.

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Right here, wotsupdoc, you've contradicted yourself. You do not know that an emotional conflict or an experience of rejection caused this, you can only assume as much, which caution against in your next post.

No I haven't. My comment was based on what I learnt studying at university; from my own experience; from the teaching of others experienced in this field; and practical counselling people who find themselves in this situation.

From all this, I have not made any assumption at all.

---------- Post added at 09:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:37 PM ----------

Nothing "makes" someone look at porn.

I did not say it did.

---------- Post added at 09:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:39 PM ----------

Also, while this could involve spiritual bondage, it does not neccessarily have to be one. Everyone is tempted, but that doesn't mean that everyone is in bondage.

I never said it did.

I never said they were.

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I know this is a very late post, as there have been many replies already.

I had the same problem you had. Only difference was I was not in Christ.

I had my struggle.

The only way you can get out of this is if you stop what you are doing once and for all and continue with your eyes on God.

This is true repentance. You just stop what you are doing, you change your north and you follow Jesus.

Remember to read Galatians 5.

Also focus in that chapter on verses 24 and 25.

We all need to apply this.

Galatians 5:24-25 (New International Version, ©2011)

24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.

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The only way you can get out of this is if you stop what you are doing once and for all and continue with your eyes on God. This is true repentance. You just stop what you are doing, you change your north and you follow Jesus.

I am sure that you are well meaning Kevin, but you will notice that the OP said it was an addicton, which means that he cannot do it by himself.

In my trainng with Teen Challenge I learnt that there is only two ways to get free from a drug ADDICTION. Divine intervention by God supernaturally or intensive therapy over an extended period of time. I have used both in setting people free from their homosexuality.

The OP will need one of these. To say otherwise will only make it worse for him as he struggles in his own strength to beat the habit.

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I am sure that you are well meaning Kevin, but you will notice that the OP said it was an addicton, which means that he cannot do it by himself.

In my trainng with Teen Challenge I learnt that there is only two ways to get free from a drug ADDICTION. Divine intervention by God supernaturally or intensive therapy over an extended period of time. I have used both in setting people free from their homosexuality.

The OP will need one of these. To say otherwise will only make it worse for him as he struggles in his own strength to beat the habit.

You have a point.

I was addicted to it. But I got rid of it all with the help of the Holy Spirit and my own motivation as well.

Now, the great question is:

Do you want to get rid of it?

Regardless of being addicted or not, you have the power to get rid of it. Specially if you have God.

Like I said. I was addicted to pornography and masturbation as well. I always wanted to get rid of it but I always ended up back in square one. (The same situation he is going through). I felt an impulse and a will to get rid of that nasty stuff. I knew that stuff was going to hold me down because I had been fighting to get rid of it for months.

Only by the help of the Holy Spirit I was able to completely rebuke that stuff.

(Do you want to get rid of it?)

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The reason that this is happening is that it has become a security blanket for you becasue of some emotional conflict in your life or an experience of rejection.

The truth is, the problem is not the porn or the jacking off. It is what is making you do it and until you deal with that you will keep doing it.

I feel that you need deliverance from whatever it is that makes you do this. Ask the Lord to bring someone across your path that is aware of these things and can pray release for you.

Once the effects of the emotional trauma or rejection are dealt with the other will solve itself.

You don't have to go through some life changing, traumatizing event to be addicted to porn/mb. It's appealing and that's (often) why people are drawn in.

To deal with the last first, I nor any of my teenage friends had the slightest interest in porn. We were too busy enjoying all that life had to offer.

That's great to hear, but nothing to boast about. If you were never tempted, then you never really accomplished anything (sorry). Plus I'm sure porn affected at least one of your friend's, it's pretty wide spread and is often times kept below the table. Have you never masturbated? The thought's are just as lustful.

One way to overcome that is to be "mature" about it
I was 14 and "mature" enough to understand what was happening.

How can you sit here and tell him whether or not he experienced trauma? I don't think he's looking for an excuse.

Anyways, time for my advice. Remind yourself every day when you wake up what your goal is. Take it one day at a time and never let your guard down. Find someone you trust to keep you accountable and if you mess up, start again. Each and every day is a victory, so treat it that way.

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Guest JAG

Being reborn is about changing one's desires. You said you "don't really want" to stop, and I believe you. We only do what we want to do. So where do we go from here? Start praying that God changes your desires - that they conform to His desires instead of your own. As Paul stated, "work our your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God working in you - both to will and to act for His good pleasures."

On one side it seems like we do a lot (work out your salvation), on the other we know that God is the one who is doing the work inside of us. We must partner with Him, and by doing so He will give you His "will" (desires) and allow you to "act" for His purposes.

Pray, pray He changes you.

On another note, if you are wanting to know what "work out your salvation" might imply in this particular area of your life. Learn self control. Beat the crap out of your body - start jogging, working out, going to sleep early and waking up early, eating healthy, fasting from food and from entertainment. This is how we learn self control - we must do the things a person who had self control would be doing. Pretend long enough and something will become a reality.

God bless,

James

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The reason that this is happening is that it has become a security blanket for you becasue of some emotional conflict in your life or an experience of rejection.

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Bingo.

However, I have noticed something.

When I was with my ex (who I actually had to break up with because she wasent willing to slow down and I was doing things with her I really shouldnt have been...) I had literally zero urge to jerk off. Like..none. It was weird but I went like two weeks easy without it (before everyone assumes thats cause i'd be off doing other things I shouldnt have been doing with her...we only got to see eachother like once a week if we were lucky...and during the time I'm referencing we were not doing anything anyway...).

Something to think about I guess.

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