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MASTURBATION IS A FILTHY SIN!

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I just had to put the title in caps to catch the eyes of many because we are being deceived by some people who call themselves christians here on CTF teaching that masturbation is not a sin.

I don't want to start hearing about "well, what if my doctor asks me for my sperm and I need to ejaculate, is it a sin then?" That is a totally different case and I'm here to make things clear.

My intentions are not to be hard on anyone but I come with the love of Christ to warn everyone that reads this. All glory and honor to God and his Son Jesus Christ forever and ever, amen.

Brothers, I've been on CTF for more than a year already and I have read so many topics regarding to masturbation. I know there are so many young christian men out there that are suffering from their masturbation addiction and would like to stop.

I want to write this as clear as possible and I am writing to you with all truth and knowledge regarding this topic. I want to point out to watch out for members of this forum who teach that the act of masturbating is not a sin. Do not be deceived by this false teaching.

God's word clearly and constantly warns us to clean our clothes, to wash them so that they are not filthy because we cannot present ourselves filthy before God, we cannot enter His Kingdom while being filthy. The act of masturbating is a filthy pleasure. It's self seeking and it's done because you want to feel the pleasure. God warns us in his word to stay away from the desires of our flesh and to deny ourselves constantly.

It is very clear and I say again that we all know that masturbating is done because a person feels the need, the desire to FEEL pleasure.

If you study the Word of God, you will find out that when God talks about sexual activities that are approved by Him, He's talking about MARRIAGE. God intended sex to be after marriage. He blesses those who decide to preserve their bodies in honor of God's will until they are married to THEN have sex. The act of masturbation is a sexual activity with yourself!

This falls under the category of FILTH which is a deed of the FLESH.

God warns us in His word that a good tree cannot bring bad fruits nor a bad tree can bring forward good fruits. Only a good tree can bring good fruits and a bad one can bring bad fruits. Any tree that brings forward bad fruits are cut and thrown into the fire that never stops burning.

Brothers please understand this. This is serious and it just urges me time and time again to warn you constantly about this sin. Don't be fooled by people who tell you that masturbation is NOT a sin. Why do you feel so guilty when you masturbate? Because you know it's wrong and the Holy Spirit is guiding you telling you to STOP!

Stop it once and for all brothers. Please! You never know when your time will come to be judged after you die and you do not want to get caught in the sin of FILTHINESS.

God bless you all and may the peace of God and His Holy Spirit be with you and guiding you. Glory and Honor to the Father God. Amen.

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Where's the scripture for your sermon? You can't exactly preach without it.

I just had to put the title in caps to catch the eyes of many because we are being deceived by some people who call themselves christians here on CTF teaching that masturbation is not a sin.

You have a high opinion of yourself by saying "some people who call themselves christians" and that is borderline on breaking a CTF rule

2. Posts bashing God, Christians, or other members are not allowed. Bashing includes questioning another members salvation, name-calling, slander, gossip, or verbally attacking another member/subject.

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Where's the scripture for your sermon? You can't exactly preach without it.

Book of Galatians. Read it. That's where this comes from.

You have a high opinion of yourself by saying "some people who call themselves christians" and that is borderline on breaking a CTF rule

Am I doing wrong because I chose to expose the teaching of false doctrines of people who say they are christians that you also form a part of?

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I just had to put the title in caps to catch the eyes of many because we are being deceived by some people who call themselves christians here on CTF teaching that masturbation is not a sin.

I don't want to start hearing about "well, what if my doctor asks me for my sperm and I need to ejaculate, is it a sin then?" That is a totally different case and I'm here to make things clear.

My intentions are not to be hard on anyone but I come with the love of Christ to warn everyone that reads this. All glory and honor to God and his Son Jesus Christ forever and ever, amen.

Brothers, I've been on CTF for more than a year already and I have read so many topics regarding to masturbation. I know there are so many young christian men out there that are suffering from their masturbation addiction and would like to stop.

I want to write this as clear as possible and I am writing to you with all truth and knowledge regarding this topic. I want to point out to watch out for members of this forum who teach that the act of masturbating is not a sin. Do not be deceived by this false teaching.

God's word clearly and constantly warns us to clean our clothes, to wash them so that they are not filthy because we cannot present ourselves filthy before God, we cannot enter His Kingdom while being filthy. The act of masturbating is a filthy pleasure. It's self seeking and it's done because you want to feel the pleasure. God warns us in his word to stay away from the desires of our flesh and to deny ourselves constantly.

It is very clear and I say again that we all know that masturbating is done because a person feels the need, the desire to FEEL pleasure.

If you study the Word of God, you will find out that when God talks about sexual activities that are approved by Him, He's talking about MARRIAGE. God intended sex to be after marriage. He blesses those who decide to preserve their bodies in honor of God's will until they are married to THEN have sex. The act of masturbation is a sexual activity with yourself!

This falls under the category of FILTH which is a deed of the FLESH.

God warns us in His word that a good tree cannot bring bad fruits nor a bad tree can bring forward good fruits. Only a good tree can bring good fruits and a bad one can bring bad fruits. Any tree that brings forward bad fruits are cut and thrown into the fire that never stops burning.

Brothers please understand this. This is serious and it just urges me time and time again to warn you constantly about this sin. Don't be fooled by people who tell you that masturbation is NOT a sin. Why do you feel so guilty when you masturbate? Because you know it's wrong and the Holy Spirit is guiding you telling you to STOP!

Stop it once and for all brothers. Please! You never know when your time will come to be judged after you die and you do not want to get caught in the sin of FILTHINESS.

God bless you all and may the peace of God and His Holy Spirit be with you and guiding you. Glory and Honor to the Father God. Amen.

Isn't there some rule against accusing people of not being a Christian? I don't think all masturbation is a sin (though I certainly don't encourage it to any of you guys), but I am a Christian. It is unfair to point the finger

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Rule 2: "2. Posts bashing God, Christians, or other members are not allowed. Bashing includes questioning another members salvation, name-calling, slander, gossip, or verbally attacking another member/subject."

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Where's the scripture for your sermon? You can't exactly preach without it.

You have a high opinion of yourself by saying "some people who call themselves christians" and that is borderline on breaking a CTF rule

Well I can show you a few if you wish...

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. Gal 5:16

But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. James 1:14-15

Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. 1 Peter 2:11

Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body. 1 Cor 6:19-20

But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Eph 5:3

But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. Rom 13:14

Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God. 2 Cor 7:1

Here is one for porn also... But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matt 5:28

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It makes no sense of a person who says they are christian and at the same time say they are a homosexual.

Not only that, but also choose to teach a false doctrine.

Why is it that I will be the one suffering for exposing false doctrines?

Didn't the apostles do the same thing?

Rule 2 is tired of being abused and wants a lawyer. Kevin you are hurting the message of the gospel here. Just stop while you are a head.

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Hurting the gospel?

You mean you are asking me to ignore the fact that there are people IN THIS FORUM teaching false doctrines and are not being sat down by this?

Don't you care for other people's lives? If they follow false doctrines they will be deceived!

I don't know about you, but I have to speak the truth regardless if a rules punishes me of such a thing.

It's incredible if I get punished in a Christian Forum for exposing a false doctrine for the sake of people's souls that I will be the one being sat down.

That's just not right!

I won't let that happen!

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He has a point :/

It is a fallacy to say that Kevin is 'suffering' for anything. The apostles never violated ancient laws. He is violating a law by this post. I'm just sayin. Kevin I have nothing against you bro but you are stirring a debate here, not advancing the Gospel

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First off, you can stop attacking my personal faith, I know exactly why I believe what I believe and I can give you evidence for such. But you will not listen because you are much like the legalists in the time of Paul when he wrote "you stiff necked and uncircumsized of heart".

Secondly, you are basing your belief off of things that are gray areas in scripture. The Bible takes no stance on Masturbation, this is a widely accepted fact by Theologians.

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It is a fallacy to say that Kevin is 'suffering' for anything. The apostles never violated ancient laws. He is violating a law by this post. I'm just sayin. Kevin I have nothing against you bro but you are stirring a debate here, not advancing the Gospel

the apostles broke plenty of laws....disregarding laws against the spreading of the Gospel which is in turn why many were killed/jailed

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It is a fallacy to say that Kevin is 'suffering' for anything. The apostles never violated ancient laws. He is violating a law by this post. I'm just sayin. Kevin I have nothing against you bro but you are stirring a debate here, not advancing the Gospel

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I'm saying I will be the one suffering for exposing a false doctrine! I will be the one suffering according to you guys that tell me that I'm going against some rule on this forum.

The apostles always said "I RATHER PLEASE GOD BEFORE PLEASE ANY MAN", they said this when the authorities asked them to stop preaching the word of God because it would cause trouble. They got thrown in jail and released time and time again (specially Paul) and they kept on saying the truth.

What now?

Am I going to get sat down for telling the truth?

Like I asked before, don't you care for the lives that might fall into the false doctrine?

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Micah, The reason the Apostles were 'breaking the law' was because God's law is above man's law, however, that does not give us a reason to break the law, because the Bible says to obey the laws of the land. If you read up on the political scene of Ancient Rome during the time the NT was written, especially towards then end when Revelation was written (under Neronian rule) you would understand why they were jailed and sometimes killed or exiled.

Kevin, God forbid you have some belief that you believe that is incorrect. Which I don't doubt that you do. Epistemology would show that there is not a for sure way to know that 100% of your beliefs are 100% accurate 100% of the time.

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You know what, I did what I was supposed to do and I am not a useful servant because I do what I am told.

I explained myself very clear and thank the Lord for my fellow brother Tyro that posted all the scriptures in detail that point out that we need to get away of pleasuring our flesh.

God bless you all and I know there are people who do not like this because it hurts.

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Kevin this is how I look at it: you can make a legitimate post saying that masturbation is a sin, which it may very well be, without attacking Christians or others' beliefs. If you can't do that, then the chances of mod involvement increase. I respect your heart for scripture, as we all have our own ways of looking at God's word, but you need to do so without judging others. I have a HUGE issue with this myself but one thing is on this forum there are people from every sort of background. The word of Christ is best spread through honey not vinegar. If vinegar is your preferred method you won't win anyone over on CTF

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Kevin and Micah, give me empirical evidence that masturbation with out lust is a sin, and I'll concede.

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This is pointless. You can't show me empirical evidence of anything on earth. Okay so Kevin and Tyro believe its a sin. Mark and I don't. We all believe in Christ and teaching the gospel, even if in different ways. Common ground outways this small detail. Debate is over as my learned friend Al Gore says

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Micah, The reason the Apostles were 'breaking the law' was because God's law is above man's law, however, that does not give us a reason to break the law, because the Bible says to obey the laws of the land. If you read up on the political scene of Ancient Rome during the time the NT was written, especially towards then end when Revelation was written (under Neronian rule) you would understand why they were jailed and sometimes killed or exiled.

Im aware, thanks though

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Kevin and Micah, give me empirical evidence that masturbation with out lust is a sin, and I'll concede.

I don't believe its possible to masturbate without lust. But I do believe one can convince their self it is not lustful.

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This is pointless. You can't show me empirical evidence of anything on earth. Okay so Kevin and Tyro believe its a sin. Mark and I don't. We all believe in Christ and teaching the gospel, even if in different ways. Common ground outways this small detail. Debate is over as my learned friend Al Gore says

No, I do not agree with you. This attitude that you show here is toxic to the body of Christ. There is no way we can be partial and choose to ignore issues that are important.

God is not partial, you are either with Him or without.

I've laid out what I had to say, people didn't like it and found 10 ways to try and make this sermon more complicated than it is.

I point out what is wrong and that is it.

If you STUDY the bible you will learn that false doctrines were dealt with right away. You will also find out that in the early churches, the problem of STAYING QUIET or IGNORING problems in the body of Christ was REBUKED very heavily by Paul himself. He even told the church at Corinth to separate the person who was sinning (that no one, not even the pastor rebuked like they should have) out of the body of Christ and to hand him over to Satan for the destruction of the FLESH. Later Paul ordered to forgive the brother of his sin because they saw he was being consumed by a great sadness. They let him back into the body of Christ, back into the congregation.

BUT TODAY!!!, you don't see allot of preachers pointing things out for what they are! We see an attitude like the attitude in Corinth where the members of the church including the leaders decide to keep their mouths shut and not rebuke their brother for his sin! The bible says if you LOVE YOUR BROTHER, CORRECT HIM. Another word for correct is REBUKE!

Proverbs tells us that a fool detests being REBUKED !

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Mark, God does want us to follow the laws of this earth, but it's because God established the laws Himself to maintain order by putting people in high positions to be able to fulfill this task. Now, if the laws go against what God's will is, we are NOT to follow that earthly law. If there is a law saying I can't preach the gospel, sorry for them because I'm preaching the gospel. Punishment is inevitable in this case, but God always promised that those who suffered for the cause of the Gospel had a great reward in heaven!

Kevin, God forbid you have some belief that you believe that is incorrect. Which I don't doubt that you do. Epistemology would show that there is not a for sure way to know that 100% of your beliefs are 100% accurate 100% of the time.

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I'm done. I said what I was supposed to say and I pointed out the false doctrine. I'm not going to continue trying to convince you of the word of God.

Good point. I wish more members were that willing to end debates. I know I 'm not normally lol

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guys please lets not turn this into a debate

First Warning

*is awaiting mods to edit out personal attacks* Yay a Mod :D

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Awwww, I wanted to post )8 It was going to be all philosophical and stuuuuuff... *whine*

Anyway, this should be in 16+, closed or not <3

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