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Pro-life youth arrested outside school and held in jail for 24 hours

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JACKSON, March 8, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Two pro-life advocates who were arrested and held in jail for 24 hours while peacefully demonstrating outside a high school in Mississippi say they were told by police that they were detained simply because they were talking about abortion.

The two women, Kristina Garza and Brianna Baxter, were demonstrating peacefully Monday afternoon outside Murrah High School in Jackson, Mississippi. Members of the Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust Campus Life Team, they were attempting to educate students about abortion using pro-life literature and graphic signs that depict aborted babies at various gestational stages, beginning at nine weeks.

The group, which is composed of seven members including Baxter and Garza, was confronted by campus police officers and told they couldn’t stand on the sidewalk outside the school.

Garza told LifeSiteNews that the group was given inconsistent information by different officers. While some asserted that the sidewalk belonged to the school, others did not want to say that the pro-life activists were actually breaking the law.

“We could not get a straight story whatsoever,” she said. “It was obvious it was a public sidewalk. There was a fire hydrant. There were city sewers.”

Students were sequestered into the school and apparently prohibited from talking to the pro-lifers. As they walked by to board their bus, several students reportedly told the group that they could not speak with them because they were afraid of being suspended.

When Garza and her team members eventually left, they were told by police that if they came back, they would be arrested. “We asked him what law we would be breaking, and he said, ‘just don’t come back,’” she related.

An attorney contacted the school the following day to ask what law the pro-lifers would be breaking if they returned. School officials acknowledged that the sidewalk was public property, but reiterated, without citing any law, that the demonstrators could not return.

Father Frank Pavone, National Director of Priests for Life, denounced the arrests, saying: “Those who are persecuting these brave young pro-life activists are cowards, and a good example of what is wrong in our culture today.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-youth-arrested-outside-school-and-held-in-jail-for-24-hours

Wow..

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It just fails as a name on every possible level.

It's way to long to be memerable.

It's not even slightly catchy.

It's hugely offensive to actual Holocaust Survivors.

It makes them look like jerks.

Seriously, what were they thinking. Just call yourself Campus Pro-life like the rest of them, and then disband because seriously, everyone is sick of this.

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Why are you using ad hominem attacks? Who cares what the name of the group is, this is a matter of 1st amendment rights.

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Why are you using ad hominem attacks? Who cares what the name of the group is, this is a matter of 1st amendment rights.
Since we all know that these people's first amendment rights were violated, what else is there to talk about?

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^^I'm pleasantly surprised you acknowledge this.

This is unfortunate news, but I'm not entirely surprised.

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I'm actually not so sure that there actually was any infringement of their first ammendment rights. Looking for a real news source on this I only found a local affiliate, and they mentioned something about interfering with a school bus, but didn't realy give any details.

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^^I'm pleasantly surprised you acknowledge this.

This is unfortunate news, but I'm not entirely surprised.

Was that directed at me? :unsure:

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Also, my earlier comments were not ad hominem, as I was not in anyway attacking their ideas. I was only attacking their name.

I could easily attack their ideas, but you know what I'm going to say, I know what you're going to say, so lets skip the abortion debate today.

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Whoa. When I first read this topic my heart skipped a beat because I have a friend that hosted a Pro-life rally in Jackson not too long ago.

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Also, my earlier comments were not ad hominem, as I was not in anyway attacking their ideas. I was only attacking their name.

I could easily attack their ideas, but you know what I'm going to say, I know what you're going to say, so lets skip the abortion debate today.

That's the point. You marginalize their ideas by simply attacking them.

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Some how I don't think the whole story is being discussed. Every anti-abortion protest I've seen is filled with belligerent people but who knows maybe these two were bucking the trend.

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Having recently seen just how biased journalists can be, I'd like to see another article that isn't so blatantly on one sided. I mean, this is a Christian news journal. I don't see any mention of what the policemen said or did other than what these protesters said they said or did. I don't see any mention of even attempting to contact these people. It's all hearsay. "They said this and that." "He said that." "They refused to comment, Garza said." If this website is a legitimate way to get news, why didn't they get the other side of the story from the policemen? The article doesn't have anything from them, just what these girls said they said. I didn't even see a "We attempted to contact such-and-such but got no response" (If I missed that, please show me)

We are getting one, potentially very slanted version of this story. For all we know, they didn't have a permit or something, were told repeatedly to get off the public sidewalk and get a permit, refused because they're "saving babies" and were arrested. But that doesn't "galvanize the pro-life movement" nearly as much as being arrested for preaching the Truth About Abortion.

I'm not saying they're absolutely lying, but I'm going to take what they say with a grain of salt and look for an article that actually attempted to get the story from someone other than the two women waving graphic images of abortions around.

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JACKSON, MS (WLBT) -Pro-Life supporters returned to a Jackson high school Tuesday to spread their message to students.

The California group distributed literature to students before being taken into custody.

Brianna Baxter and Kristina Garza of California were arrested by J.P.S. Campus Enforcement Officers after school officials said they were interfering with a school bus driver and jeopardizing student safety as they handed out Pro-Life literature to students leaving Murrah High School.

It is a charge the two deny.

Earlier members of Survivors of Abortion Holocaust, a California missionary team, passed out pamphlets and held up giant posters of aborted fetuses on the sidewalk in front of the school.

"Yesterday we had Jackson P.D. threaten to arrest us," Garza said. "They said if we came back today, which we are then they would arrest us for standing on the sidewalk and trying to reach out to students."

The demonstrators said their first amendment rights to free speech were violated.

Some parents were shocked that their children were shown the graphic images.

"Minors are being marketed for abortion so we believe that they should know the truth," Garza said. "They deserve to know what they're getting themselves into because we know that teenagers do get pregnant and do have abortions."

"This just shows the extremes that the Pro-Life movement will go to to show up at a high school with inaccurate pictures of aborted fetuses because the pictures they generally show are representative of late term abortions which are not practiced in Mississippi," said Lauri Roberts with Mississippi Women Are Representing, a Pro-Choice organization.

Pro-Life demonstrators disagree.

Jackson Public Schools Interim Superintendent Dr. Jayne Sargent said the school house is not a place for such demonstrations.

"The demonstrators had been contacted in advance and asked not to go on the Murrah campus. Our Campus Enforcement Officers had no recourse but to arrest the demonstrators," Sargent said.

Baxter and Garza were being held at the Hinds County Detention Center.

Survivors of Abortion Holocaust said their next stop is Birmingham, followed by Florida.

Jackson, Mississippi local news WLBT. I forgot to get the link, but this is the full article.

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Interesting how the previous article said that they were arrested because they were "on school property" or for some mysterious and undoubtedly liberal-agenda-ish reason, while this one says that they were interfering with bus drivers and jeopardizing student safety. I mean, if these charges are as crazy as the two girls want us to think, why isn't it mentioned in the other one?

Anyways, thanks for finding another article, Hayley.

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Interesting how the previous article said that they were arrested because they were "on school property" or for some mysterious and undoubtedly liberal-agenda-ish reason, while this one says that they were interfering with bus drivers and jeopardizing student safety. I mean, if these charges are as crazy as the two girls want us to think, why isn't it mentioned in the other one?

Anyways, thanks for finding another article, Hayley.

Of course the story is changing, I mean it would never possibly be the fact these protesters were going above and beyond a peaceful protest and interfering in the flow of things. *facepalm*

These girls were told in simple terms "we don't want this on our campus." they did so anyway, they got arrested - end of story. wouldn't matter if they are pro-life, pro-choice. Also what nonsense of a name to call your group, I'm sure the people who actually died (their family members) in the holocaust really appreciate it.

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Anyways, thanks for finding another article, Hayley.

^^No problem

I will say that I think arresting them was a little extreme unless they posed a threat or harm to someone, such as religious or racial slurs, using or showing off weapons, or threatening the school, students, or staff. And I disagree with von's statement that if it was a pro-choice campaign they would have been arrested or asked to leave, simply because people associate pro-life with religion and religion isn't supposed to be allowed on school campuses, where as pro-choice is considered more free thinking and accepting of all people; which is what they push in our public education system.

Also, pictures or a video (which I'm sure some kid with a cellphone/iPod captured pictures and videos) would be beneficial to this article because it's a he said she said thing either way. One is saying they were on the public sidewalk and doing nothing but expressing there first amendment right. One source states that they were handing out material and blocking buses. No one really knows what happened or who is telling the truth. What is there definition of blocking the buses and jeopardizing student's safety? Simply being there? Were they attempting to start a riot among pro-life students? Were they boarding buses or standing in front of them refusing to move? What were the reasons for the arrest and can they be proven or justified? Or was this an attempt to squash a pro-life campaign because of the pro-life movement associated with religion?

If there claim that they were simply occupying the public sidewalk is valid, then there 1st amendment right was violated.

If the claim of the police is valid, then they had at least a basis (however weak) to remove the protesters. I still think that arresting them was extreme.

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Why are you using ad hominem attacks? Who cares what the name of the group is, this is a matter of 1st amendment rights.

Finally :3

I'm actually not so sure that there actually was any infringement of their first ammendment rights. Looking for a real news source on this I only found a local affiliate, and they mentioned something about interfering with a school bus, but didn't realy give any details.

They said they didn't interfere with a school bus.

Some how I don't think the whole story is being discussed. Every anti-abortion protest I've seen is filled with belligerent people but who knows maybe these two were bucking the trend.

I'd like to see the 'other' side of the story, but watching the video you'll see that their rights were violated. Even if there is another side it doesn't excuse the cops and school officials for what they did.

I mean, this is a Christian news journal. I don't see any mention of what the policemen said or did other than what these protesters said they said or did.

Did you see the video? One of the cops took their camera, which is illegal because you are allowed to film in public areas, and you are allowed to film cops while on duty.

We are getting one, potentially very slanted version of this story.

yeah

while this one says that they were interfering with bus drivers and jeopardizing student safety. I mean, if these charges are as crazy as the two girls want us to think, why isn't it mentioned in the other one?

It doesn't mean anything unless they say that the kids were doing to jeopardizing safety.. I mean, that's a pretty big thing. That's like waving a gun or speeding though a school zone. I honestly can not see how passing out platelets and showing posters could endanger lives.

Also, pictures or a video (which I'm sure some kid with a cellphone/iPod captured pictures and videos)

The students didn't hang around because they were afraid of getting in trouble... which sounds like they were threatened to stay away if you ask me

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That's the point. You marginalize their ideas by simply attacking them.

At no point did I attack them. I attacked their groups name on the basis that it kills any potential credibility their group might have had.

What's your problem with this? What I said is objectively true, and is relevant since credibility is hugely important in protests such as this.

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At no point did I attack them. I attacked their groups name on the basis that it kills any potential credibility their group might have had.

What's your problem with this? What I said is objectively true, and is relevant since credibility is hugely important in protests such as this.

The problem is you attacked them (their name) and not their ideas. It's as if I said "Max is wrong because Max is named Max." That's an ad-hominem attack.

If the name kills credibility it's because you have a sub-conscience bias.

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The problem is you attacked them (their name) and not their ideas. It's as if I said "Max is wrong because Max is named Max." That's an ad-hominem attack.

If the name kills credibility it's because you have a sub-conscience bias.

Actually, the ADL, which fights against anti-semitism and other forms of discrimination, and has several holocaust survivors among them, has stated that it considers the comparison to be a callous abuse of the memory of the tragedy. It is practically a fact that it's distasteful.

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Actually, the ADL, which fights against anti-semitism and other forms of discrimination, and has several holocaust survivors among them, has stated that it considers the comparison to be a callous abuse of the memory of the tragedy. It is practically a fact that it's distasteful.

1) That doesn't ease your fallacious attack.

2) I find it hard to believe the Genocide Awareness Project set out to be "callous" and "abuse" the memory of the Nazi holocaust. Once again, that would be a sub conscience bias on the part of ADL. They could, at the very least, ask GAP if they have any ill-will towards Nazi holocaust survivors before judging them.

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1) I didn't attack them. At least, I don't think I did.

2) The ADL said that in response to Ray Comfort's 180 movie, which compared abortion to the holocaust. The fact that the comparison is distasteful does not mean anything other than that. Comparing a medical procedure to the systematic torture and attempted genocide of an ethnic group is distasteful.

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