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So...I'm not looking for a debate. More of a discussion.

Does anyone believe in demons? I mean...obviously the Bible mentions them over and over. But as in, possession? A demon stalking a Christian? Etc? Or what about an Angel intervening in something?

For example: Can a Christian be possessed? Personally I see it as a no. The Bible mentions that the Holy Spirit seals your soul, so I would think not.

Just curious what everyone else thinks. I have personally seen what I believe to be a exorcism, but everyone is different. Just wanted to see everyone's point and or stories...some references or scripture maybe. Whatever you please.

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I believe everything mentioned about them in the Bible, which includes possession and exorcism etc.

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I've been present at an exorcism once. Twas quite amazing.

I believe that after a Christian sins, he can be possessed. Demons are puny beings that only have power if we allow it. Well thats the opinion of my brain.

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Yes I believe what the bible says about demons and angels.

My old house help confessed to working with the forces of darkness in order to harm me and my family after she had a disagreement with my mum, who is a devout Christian. Months before her confession, strange things started happening in my family.

My dad suddenly lost his ability to walk for no medical reason whatsoever, My sister and I lost a lot of blood without having been in any sort of accident to the point where they said we would die if we didn't have emergency blood transfusions.

My mum nearly lost her baby during childbirth. Lots of other things also happened, I'm not gonna go into too much detail.

Our house help definitely wasn't a Christian, but we didn't assume that she was responsible for any of the things that happened within my family though we did suspect it was spiritual, She was very lovely to my sister and I. She cooked for us, looked after us, took us out e-t-c

But, it was a literal confession from her. If I hadn't been there, I wouldn't have believed it.

Was she possessed? I don't know but I wouldn't rule anything out about demonic activity.

Ephesians 6:12 says it all for me.

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I believe in angels, absolutely. Our God is a God of angels, cherubim, seraphim, and hosts. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael are the archangels, but there are great numbers of other angels in Heaven. There are people whom I regularly pray for angels to protect and comfort. Even Jesus received angelic comfort when He was in the Garden of Gethsemane, and there are plenty of times in the Bible (e.g. Hagar, Elijah, Daniel) where angels are vessels of God's comfort for His children. I ask God to send angels around people, or to send His saints to be with them, and tend to pray for God to send saints who are specific to that person's situation; for example, my friend has lost his faith, so I ask God to send St. Thomas, the doubter, along with His Spirit, to be with him. I often pray for God to send the Archangel St. Michael to be with people.

As for demons, I suppose there must be an opposing force to angels. But, I'm not sure whether what we call demons are, in fact, just products of ourselves. I'm still unsure of my view on demons.

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T.O.W.R: You have a good point. Never really thought of it that way.

RayRay: That's terrible! I've heard of something similar happening to a pastor of a church not too far from my hometown. People started saying he was cursed. To the point of his church being affected, family tragedies, too-many random acts of strangeness. One of his in-laws took responsibility after a grueling 4 years of it.

kb5462: I believe in angels as well, after all, there was angels walking a set of stairs to heaven and earth constantly moving. I haven't had any experiances with angels as far as I can tell, but you never know.

I will tell of my exorcism experience then.

It was a normal Weds. night service, a couple who had been coming off and on was there, the first time in quite awhile. They were foster parents for unrulely kids. Their most recent addition was a boy of 17. As the service went on he began talking, he was told a few times to quiten down, we all just figured that it was his first time in a church and that he didn't know any better.

As the service went on he grew louder, louder, and louder. The couple was beginning to get up to leave planning on a punishment for him at home. He went balisitic. To be honest, I've never seen someone act like that. They had no idea what to do, he BIT the man of the couple and continued his raged screaming/fit. Our pastor thought fairly fast and bolted to him with the church's bottle of annointing oil. He coated his hand and after a small struggle laid it on the boy's head and began praying.

After the boy continued he asked all of us to aid in the prayer. It took awhile, but after some time the boy had calmed down until he was more or less unconcious. After he was helped to his feet...the look in his eyes had changed so much, his movements had changed even. It was such a major change...I tell you.

Anyway, he dismissed us with a prayer early and everyone went home. End of story right? Nope. To give you a little background, my house has a good security system in it. We went to bed and everything was fine at first. After so long I woke up completely terrified for an unknown reason. I couldn't even think about going back to sleep so I got up and sat in the living room to watch tv until I fell asleep again.

After a few minutes I could swear I heard shuffling, or movement of some sort outside. Just to be safe I glanced at the cameras to make sure there wasn't any would-be robbers roaming around outside. Nothing showed on anything. I dismissed it as something on the tv, whatever.

The shuffling grew so loud outside I got spooked and flew back to my room and buried myself in my bed. The sound quit after some time but as I would find out on Sunday just about every household that was there that night had heard the same thing at their own houses. Was it whatever we had banished a few hours before checking us out? Who knows. It was just too strange to discount as nothing though.

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I will tell of my exorcism experience then.

It was a normal Weds. night service, a couple who had been coming off and on was there, the first time in quite awhile. They were foster parents for unrulely kids. Their most recent addition was a boy of 17. As the service went on he began talking, he was told a few times to quiten down, we all just figured that it was his first time in a church and that he didn't know any better.

As the service went on he grew louder, louder, and louder. The couple was beginning to get up to leave planning on a punishment for him at home. He went balisitic. To be honest, I've never seen someone act like that. They had no idea what to do, he BIT the man of the couple and continued his raged screaming/fit. Our pastor thought fairly fast and bolted to him with the church's bottle of annointing oil. He coated his hand and after a small struggle laid it on the boy's head and began praying.

After the boy continued he asked all of us to aid in the prayer. It took awhile, but after some time the boy had calmed down until he was more or less unconcious. After he was helped to his feet...the look in his eyes had changed so much, his movements had changed even. It was such a major change...I tell you.

Anyway, he dismissed us with a prayer early and everyone went home. End of story right? Nope. To give you a little background, my house has a good security system in it. We went to bed and everything was fine at first. After so long I woke up completely terrified for an unknown reason. I couldn't even think about going back to sleep so I got up and sat in the living room to watch tv until I fell asleep again.

After a few minutes I could swear I heard shuffling, or movement of some sort outside. Just to be safe I glanced at the cameras to make sure there wasn't any would-be robbers roaming around outside. Nothing showed on anything. I dismissed it as something on the tv, whatever.

The shuffling grew so loud outside I got spooked and flew back to my room and buried myself in my bed. The sound quit after some time but as I would find out on Sunday just about every household that was there that night had heard the same thing at their own houses. Was it whatever we had banished a few hours before checking us out? Who knows. It was just too strange to discount as nothing though.

That is so beyond eerie. Did this happen recently?

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I do believe in angels and demons, though this thread is more focused on demons.

Do I believe in Christophanies and Theophanies? Well, yes of course, the Bible is clear. Do I believe they still happen today? No. These served particular purposes in redemptive history, that have no passed.

Do I believe in demon possession? Similarly, yes of course, the Bible is clear. Do I believe such still happens today? No. Same explanation as above.

Can a Christian be possessed? Even if I had answered "yes" to the above question, I'd answer no to this one without a second thought. "Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world," (1 John 4:4). Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, not by demons.

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One of my all-time favorite quotes is from Oscar Wilde: "We are each our own devil, and we make this world our Hell."

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One of my all-time favorite quotes is from Oscar Wilde: "We are each our own devil, and we make this world our Hell."

I agree with this if it is said so as to not exclude a real, distinct, objective Hell and person of the Devil from also existing.

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Yes, there are both angels and demons. There is a spiritual world that is just as real as this physical world we are in.

I am adamantly opposed to the notion that a Christian could be possessed by a demon, though. Possession involves complete control of your body by the Devil, essentially. That is simply not possible in a Spirit-filled Christian.

Now, I do believe that we can be OPPRESSED by demons, which is totally different. That's why our struggle with our sin nature exists. The enemy flings "flaming darts" at us.

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Yes, there are both angels and demons. There is a spiritual world that is just as real as this physical world we are in.

I am adamantly opposed to the notion that a Christian could be possessed by a demon, though. Possession involves complete control of your body by the Devil, essentially. That is simply not possible in a Spirit-filled Christian.

Now, I do believe that we can be OPPRESSED by demons, which is totally different. That's why our struggle with our sin nature exists. The enemy flings "flaming darts" at us.

I like the way you worded this. Food for thought.

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Yes, there are both angels and demons. There is a spiritual world that is just as real as this physical world we are in.

I am adamantly opposed to the notion that a Christian could be possessed by a demon, though. Possession involves complete control of your body by the Devil, essentially. That is simply not possible in a Spirit-filled Christian.

Now, I do believe that we can be OPPRESSED by demons, which is totally different. That's why our struggle with our sin nature exists. The enemy flings "flaming darts" at us.

Exactly.

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I agree with this if it is said so as to not exclude a real, distinct, objective Hell and person of the Devil from also existing.
I might believe in the Devil, but I balk at the idea of describing him/her/it as "personal", as if the Devil were some non-corporeal point-of-view that stalks around the earth like an invisible man. I do not think it is a proper adjective for God or the Devil. I rather conceive of Satan as a universal principle that has supra-personal qualities.

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I might believe in the Devil, but I balk at the idea of describing him/her/it as "personal", as if the Devil were some non-corporeal point-of-view that stalks around the earth like an invisible man. I do not think it is a proper adjective for God or the Devil. I rather conceive of Satan as a universal principle that has supra-personal qualities.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying, but I wanted to jump in to the conversation. I believe that Satan is definitely REAL, as in he is a certain spiritual being and not any sort of idea or principle, so to speak. It says in the Bible that the Devil prowls about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. There are also instances (the book of Job, for example) where the Devil was actually talking to God. Ideas don't talk :P Also, the Devil tempted Jesus in physical form.

Now, the Devil may "appear" differently from one person to the next just because everyone is tempted by different things. For example, one person may be tempted to lust, so the Devil will "show up" by tempting them to lust. Another person may be tempted to be prideful, so the Devil will attempt to puff them up. In this way the Devil differs person to person, but he is one specific spiritual being.

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@Wesker: The reason we didn't chalk it up to a neurotic episode is simply this. They were worried that it might have been an episode, he had no history of anything of the sort. So, his foster parents took him to the proper specialists to ensure that he wasn't hurt or needed any sort of medication. All of them gave him a clean bill of health.

And no, this wasn't recent. A few years ago maybe. Last we heard from him he was enjoying a normal peace-filled life. Got saved at a church in Texas and has a small family with 2 kids.

@NutterButterLove: EXACTLY! That is a perfect description. Oppressed instead, I love that. And I happen to agree. The Devil is a being of some sort, or else the Bible wouldn't have described him in such detail, like the roaring lion, and the Devil asking God to 'Let down your hedge from around Job'. Everybody is different however.

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I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying, but I wanted to jump in to the conversation. I believe that Satan is definitely REAL, as in he is a certain spiritual being and not any sort of idea or principle, so to speak. It says in the Bible that the Devil prowls about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. There are also instances (the book of Job, for example) where the Devil was actually talking to God. Ideas don't talk :P Also, the Devil tempted Jesus in physical form.

Now, the Devil may "appear" differently from one person to the next just because everyone is tempted by different things. For example, one person may be tempted to lust, so the Devil will "show up" by tempting them to lust. Another person may be tempted to be prideful, so the Devil will attempt to puff them up. In this way the Devil differs person to person, but he is one specific spiritual being.

I read the section with God and the Devil symbolically in Job. I do not for one minute think that God is some Zeus-like character of a pantheon or someone who smells the savors of sacrifice. So the idea of God literally talking to the Devil is nonsensical to me. Furthermore, it is never stated that the Devil tempts Jesus in physical form, does it? I certainly never read that in the Gospels. It is poetic. It also says that the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Should we believe that the Spirit was also a physical form? I rather like your second paragraph. That is closer to what I tend to believe. It is that lust, hatred and violence instantiate us in the being of Satan.
@Wesker: The reason we didn't chalk it up to a neurotic episode is simply this. They were worried that it might have been an episode, he had no history of anything of the sort. So, his foster parents took him to the proper specialists to ensure that he wasn't hurt or needed any sort of medication. All of them gave him a clean bill of health.
Meh, I believe that sometimes people can snap. Trust me, I want to believe the Megan Fox is actually a queer succubus, but I just do not think it is the truth.

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I've just started this 21 day programme, and day 1 began with me reading through Daniel Chapter 10.

In my (very basic) understanding, Daniel prays to God for 21 days and his prayers don't seem to be answered. Whereas it is revealed that God sent an angel immediately (assumed to be Gabriel) to answer Daniel's prayers. (Verse 12). However, Gabriel was 'held up' by the Prince of Persia (assumed to be one of God's fallen angels and therefore a demon). This in turn, delays Gabriel from answering Daniel's prayers.

Verse 13. "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia."

Gabriel receives help from a more powerful angelic being named Michael. Only then could he respond to Daniel’s prayer.

So, angels and demons do exist because the bible says they do, and I believe there is an ongoing battle in the spiritual realm. Again, Ephesians 6:11-12 says it all for me.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:11-12)

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I read the section with God and the Devil symbolically in Job. I do not for one minute think that God is some Zeus-like character of a pantheon or someone who smells the savors of sacrifice. So the idea of God literally talking to the Devil is nonsensical to me. Furthermore, it is never stated that the Devil tempts Jesus in physical form, does it? I certainly never read that in the Gospels. It is poetic. It also says that the Spirit drove Jesus into the wilderness. Should we believe that the Spirit was also a physical form? I rather like your second paragraph. That is closer to what I tend to believe. It is that lust, hatred and violence instantiate us in the being of Satan.
I tend to think that Satan is a person in essentially the same way that the Holy Spirit is, the primary difference being that Satan, not being God, is neither omnipotent nor omnipresent nor omniscient.
Meh, I believe that sometimes people can snap. Trust me, I want to believe the Megan Fox is actually a queer succubus, but I just do not think it is the truth.
This finally gave me the click I needed to figure out where your avatar and sigpic came from. I used Wikipedia to find the movie. Disturbing on so many levels.

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