kb5462 Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 It's that darned leaven. Jesus didn't use it as a metaphor for sin for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrthodoxChetnik Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) None of that makes sense. First of all, LGBTQ people are approximately split between religious and non-religious according to survey data. It also seems that LGBTQ people become atheist/agnostic because religious people demonize them and drive them out of religion. Secondly, the slippery slope argument is simply ridiculous. There is no indication that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia or zoophilia. Even if we were to accept the notion that homosexuality is a perversion, that is like me saying: if we allow people to be overweight, without calling them out on it, it will lead to other wanton behaviors in their life... eventually, people who are overweight will think nothing of violence and murder. So, basically, you have absolutely no reasoning to support you claim that homosexuality is a mental illness. Why am I not surprised? This is not true that homosexual people are non religious becuase of religious people. If someone have "expelled" me from my church, from Christianity, i wouldnt give away my faith, i would still belive that christian God exist, even if christian people "demonize" me. I wouldnt be so sure that there is no indication that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia or zoophilia, If u didnt know homosexuality was considered as mental disorder (same as pedophilia or zoophilia) until 1973. But even if homosexual people are normal as you claim, they are mostly atheist, and there is no God who is responsible for them, so they can do whatever "crime" they want, only thing that is "stopping" them are wordly laws which can easly be overcame. Edited April 21, 2014 by OrthodoxChetnik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefebvre Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 OC For the love of God Stop talking. I mean I am a conservative. I believe homosexuality is a sin. I even think that the APA's reclassification of homosexuality should be, itself, reconsidered. But c'mon man. Seriously, there are fascists who are more tolerant of homosexuality than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesker Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) I wouldnt be so sure that there is no indication that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia or zoophilia, If u didnt know homosexuality was considered as mental disorder (same as pedophilia or zoophilia) until 1973. Ignoring that absurd line of reasoning (that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia and zoophilia, because both are mental illnesses): racial segregation was also legal in 1960, and slavery was legal in 1776. There is a reason why homosexuality is no longer considered a mental disorder: there is no harm or negative values associated with it whatsoever. Sigmund Freud said as much when most psychologists were anti-gay. But even if homosexual people are normal as you claim, they are mostly atheist, and there is no God who is responsible for them, so they can do whatever "crime" they want, only thing that is "stopping" them are wordly laws which can easly be overcame. Atheists have morals. And at least the majority of atheists do not try to justify genocide and the murder of women and children as so, so many Christians try to with the Old Testament (I have in mind, Paul Copan). OC For the love of God Stop talking. I mean I am a conservative. I believe homosexuality is a sin. I even think that the APA's reclassification of homosexuality should be, itself, reconsidered. But c'mon man. Seriously, there are fascists who are more tolerant of homosexuality than you. This. Edited April 22, 2014 by Wesker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoyfulFleur Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 OC For the love of God Stop talking. I mean I am a conservative. I believe homosexuality is a sin. I even think that the APA's reclassification of homosexuality should be, itself, reconsidered. But c'mon man. Seriously, there are fascists who are more tolerant of homosexuality than you. That's really rude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefebvre Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 That's really rude What is? Asking him to stop talking? I never insulted him or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoyfulFleur Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 What is? Asking him to stop talking? I never insulted him or anything. If you meant for it to come across as asking, it doesn't sound like it. It sounded more like you are telling them to be quiet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesker Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 If you meant for it to come across as asking, it doesn't sound like it. It sounded more like you are telling them to be quiet Which is somehow less offensive than saying gay people are child rapists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C. Ingram Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 That's really rude I imagine the same could be said of Jael driving a tent peg through Sisera's skull. Or Christ's whip of reeds. Or even Ole' St. Nicholas slapping up folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoyfulFleur Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Either way, it was unnecessarily rude to say 'stop talking'. The member was simply stating an opinion as everyone else had on this thread. Also this is The Christian "Debate" Room. Where you debate such things..... Just to clarify it, I'm not in agreement with the member's reasons(yet I'm sure my words will be twisted into being that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JAG Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Silencing your opponent is the fascist thing to do... In any case, I wouldn't argue homosexuality is a mental illness. Transgender, yes, probably some form of psychosis (e.g. they believe they are something other than what reality shows them to be). Whatever you believe about homosexuals, you should know Christ's command to love them, to share the gospel with them, and to pray for them as you would anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Kevin Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I am very tired at the moment, would you mind explaining that wisdom for me? I don't completely agree with that statement because it is a mold. This mold says if I am humble enough to see my own sins, I shouldn't be seeing those sins of others. If I interpret it correctly, I agree that I should be aware that I sin and others do too. If I am able to realize that I sin and I decide to humble myself, I will not be throwing dirt on those who sin because I have been just as bad as anyone else who has sinned, for the wage of sin is death. Now, this springs up a topic: When the bible makes a difference of sins, stating that there are sins, but then there are sins of death, what does that exactly mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefebvre Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Silencing your opponent is the fascist thing to do... Ahahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamoX19 Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 sooooo business as usual eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh (J) Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Welcome back to CTF, yo. Wouldn't be CTF without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelDeV Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Homosexuality is very clearly stated as WRONG in Scripture. A whole city was destroyed for this and many other perverse sins. However, hatred is very clearly stated as MURDER in Scripture. Murderers were given the same punishment often. Death. So, if you are tempted to hate your brother, for whatever cause, or even to hate an unsaved sinner, for whatever cause. Remember, there is a sin unto death, and for each person that is different, but I would not like to have murder on my account. That is not something I want Jesus to have to forgive me for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamoX19 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Homosexuality is very clearly stated as WRONG in Scripture. A whole city was destroyed for this and many other perverse sins. However, hatred is very clearly stated as MURDER in Scripture. Murderers were given the same punishment often. Death. So, if you are tempted to hate your brother, for whatever cause, or even to hate an unsaved sinner, for whatever cause. Remember, there is a sin unto death, and for each person that is different, but I would not like to have murder on my account. That is not something I want Jesus to have to forgive me for. Which city? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-M Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Not that we're liable to ever find out, given that his 35 posts were all made over a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamoX19 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Anticipation: Sodom and Gomorra I figured. I just like luring people into that trap and then dropping truth bombs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Insane, ill and disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Insane, ill and disgusting. Your thoughtful and constructive contribution to this thread is appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce B. Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 A lot of claims on here are really sophomoric. Even mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Posted May 20, 2016 Share Posted May 20, 2016 Your thoughtful and constructive contribution to this thread is appreciated. I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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