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20 Basic Truths You Can't Talk About in American Anymore

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Apologies for quasi-posting this twice but once something falls of the main page no one checks the status so discussion becomes rather impossible. Also i'm not 100% sure if this is right in the news section so go ahead and move it if it fits better elsewhere ^-^

 

So for the kicks and/or giggles, here ya go.

 

http://www.rightwingnews.com/john-hawkins/20-basic-truths-you-cant-talk-about-in-america-anymore/

 

1) People who want to change sexes should be treated by a psychologist, not deformed through surgery, given hormone treatments, and falsely told that they can change sexes.

 

2)Most people who remain poor over the long haul in America stay that way because of their own poor life choices.

 

3) Most black Americans are good and decent people, but percentage wise there are more black Americans in jail because percentage wise, black Americans commit a lot more crimes than white Americans.

 

4) As often as not in America, the people claiming to be “victims” are the real bullies and they don’t deserve anyone’s sympathy.

 

5) The reason most politicians in D.C. are shameless liars with no character is because most Americans will knowingly choose a shameless liar with no character who says what they want to hear over an honest man with morals who tells them the hard truths they’d rather ignore.

 

6) Illegal aliens are foreigners who knowingly broke the law to come here and Americans owe them even less than we owe other foreigners living in China, Sweden, or El Salvador because at least those people didn’t break our laws.

 

7) Life begins at conception and having an abortion is no morally different than strangling your baby in the crib.

 

8) Most liberals aren’t patriotic and they don’t love their country.

 

9) Our soldiers should make every effort to avoid civilian casualties, but when it comes right down to it, the life of an American soldier should be treated as more important than the life of a foreign civilian.

 

10) We’d be better off as a society if the people who are ignorant, ill informed, or who really don’t care one way or another, didn’t vote.

 

11) The only practical way to make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians is for the Israelis to transfer the Palestinians and take their land.
 

12) This is a Christian nation that has been successful because it adopted Christian principles and the more we move away from that, the worse off we will be as a nation.
 

13) Men are just generally better at some things than women, just as women are just generally better at some things than men are.
 

14) “Racism” used to be a big deal in America, but these days the people who cry racism are usually phonies trying to gain a political advantage or deflect from ethical shortcomings or poor performance.
 

15) Long term, the only way our country can pay its bills is by asking everyone who’s not dirt poor to pay as much in taxes to the government as they’re given in services if they want to continue to receive those services.
 

16) Nine times out of ten, a mother and father will do a considerably better job of raising a child than a single mother, a single father, two gay parents or their grandparents.
 

17) The Boy Scouts could never survive gay scoutmasters because no parents with a brain in their head are sending their male, teenage boy out in the woods alone with a gay man who may very well be attracted to him, just as the parents of Girl Scouts wouldn’t want to send their teenage daughter out alone in the woods with a straight adult who might secretly be savoring the opportunity to have her alone.

18) People who are homeless over the long term are overwhelmingly mentally ill or have substance abuse problems and the only thing we can really do to help them is round them up, put them into halfway houses and force them to get treatment in spite of themselves.
 

19) If you have good character, you should feel ashamed of taking food stamps, taking welfare, or being on a school lunch program.
 

20) We would be much better off as a nation if most of the immigrants to this country were well educated people from nations in Europe that shared our Western values as opposed to our current policy which brings in mostly less educated people from Third World nations.

 

There's really not that much difference in some of these opinions than pure unadulterated anti-Christian fascism. While nearly all of them are completely xenophobic and ignorant,  number 18) really irks me as a MH practitioner.  Homeless people are not 'overwhelmingly' mentally ill, it's higher than the national average but it's not even estimated to be the majority. How does treating them like second class citizens and depriving them of their right to choice so you can force treatment/housing upon them sound like something that would work?

 

The constitution seems to have a big ol' asterisks as to what people don't come under it especially if you're an illegal immigrant. Speaking of which, can anyone explain to me why illegal immigrants are so hated? I really don't get it. Person sees no other way to survive at home due to a variety of reasons for themselves or their family and so takes a massive risk and moves to America... And they deserve no kindness because this land is 'ours' and not theirs? 

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The constitution seems to have a big ol' asterisks as to what people don't come under it especially if you're an illegal immigrant. Speaking of which, can anyone explain to me why illegal immigrants are so hated? I really don't get it. Person sees no other way to survive at home due to a variety of reasons for themselves or their family and so takes a massive risk and moves to America... And they deserve no kindness because this land is 'ours' and not theirs?

Legally speaking, I wouldn't expect that Constitutional rights would apply to people who aren't American citizens, but I must admit that illegal immigrants receive more hostility than any non-violent criminal, and definitely far much more then they're due for breaking one law in a desperate attempt to improve their lives.

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Is this a joke? Like, is this satire? If it isn't, then the writer is an incredibly awful person.

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Is this a joke? Like, is this satire? If it isn't, then the writer is an incredibly awful person.

Most of these are true. I don't completely agree with them all, but they are true.

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Numbers 2, 7 (for the second part), 9, 12, 16, 17, 19 are no good and border on the absurd.

 

Numbers 3, 5, 6, 11, 13,14, 20 are all the gospel truth (not meant literally).

 

The rest are so-so.

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This gave me a good chuckle when you posted this last night. 

 

Most of these are true. I don't completely agree with them all, but they are true.

 

Which ones would you say are true? 

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1) People who want to change sexes should be treated by a psychologist, not deformed through surgery, given hormone treatments, and falsely told that they can change sexes.

 

2)Most people who remain poor over the long haul in America stay that way because of their own poor life choices.

 

3) Most black Americans are good and decent people, but percentage wise there are more black Americans in jail because percentage wise, black Americans commit a lot more crimes than white Americans.

 

4) As often as not in America, the people claiming to be “victims” are the real bullies and they don’t deserve anyone’s sympathy.

 

5) The reason most politicians in D.C. are shameless liars with no character is because most Americans will knowingly choose a shameless liar with no character who says what they want to hear over an honest man with morals who tells them the hard truths they’d rather ignore.

 

6) Illegal aliens are foreigners who knowingly broke the law to come here and Americans owe them even less than we owe other foreigners living in China, Sweden, or El Salvador because at least those people didn’t break our laws.

 

7) Life begins at conception and having an abortion is no morally different than strangling your baby in the crib.

 

8) Most liberals aren’t patriotic and they don’t love their country.

 

9) Our soldiers should make every effort to avoid civilian casualties, but when it comes right down to it, the life of an American soldier should be treated as more important than the life of a foreign civilian.

 

10) We’d be better off as a society if the people who are ignorant, ill informed, or who really don’t care one way or another, didn’t vote.

 

11) The only practical way to make peace between the Israelis and Palestinians is for the Israelis to transfer the Palestinians and take their land.

 

12) This is a Christian nation that has been successful because it adopted Christian principles and the more we move away from that, the worse off we will be as a nation.

 

13) Men are just generally better at some things than women, just as women are just generally better at some things than men are.

 

14) “Racism” used to be a big deal in America, but these days the people who cry racism are usually phonies trying to gain a political advantage or deflect from ethical shortcomings or poor performance.

 

15) Long term, the only way our country can pay its bills is by asking everyone who’s not dirt poor to pay as much in taxes to the government as they’re given in services if they want to continue to receive those services.

 

16) Nine times out of ten, a mother and father will do a considerably better job of raising a child than a single mother, a single father, two gay parents or their grandparents.

 

17) The Boy Scouts could never survive gay scoutmasters because no parents with a brain in their head are sending their male, teenage boy out in the woods alone with a gay man who may very well be attracted to him, just as the parents of Girl Scouts wouldn’t want to send their teenage daughter out alone in the woods with a straight adult who might secretly be savoring the opportunity to have her alone.

18) People who are homeless over the long term are overwhelmingly mentally ill or have substance abuse problems and the only thing we can really do to help them is round them up, put them into halfway houses and force them to get treatment in spite of themselves.

 

19) If you have good character, you should feel ashamed of taking food stamps, taking welfare, or being on a school lunch program.

 

20) We would be much better off as a nation if most of the immigrants to this country were well educated people from nations in Europe that shared our Western values as opposed to our current policy which brings in mostly less educated people from Third World nations.

1. Trans people are required to go to counseling before their transition. Transexuals exist. Making them feel like they're crazy and freaks is just ridiculous.

2. I would say some do, but I wouldn't say MOST at all.

3. Eh. Percentage wise, there are more black people in jail because, percentage wise, the criminal justice system in one of the most corrupt in global history.

4. 50/50 on this one.

5. Truth

6. Ehhhh, I think we should make an effort to help them.

7. WRONG. Well...arguable. There's disagreement.

8. Wow. Wowwwwwwwwwwwwwww. #wrong

9. I would agree.

10. Yeah, but not letting those people vote would raise all kinds of hell and would be nigh-impossible to police.

11. They'll never have peace. Moot point.

12. Wrong on multiple accounts.

13. Truth, but sounds condescending. :D

14. 50/50. Sometimes true.

15. Well, taxing the rich, removing exemptions from churches, and getting rid of corporate loop-holes would do TONS more.

16. True for the single parents, but science falls on the side of having two parents is the best no matter their gender/age.

17. This bears the assumption that all people are rapey. #wrongagain

18. Wrong, and cold.

19. Wrong. Sometimes you need it. The safety net is there for a reason. I have good character, yet I was unemployed for 4 months. Food stamps gave me food.

20. You don't get to chose who wants to come here.

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Well, that's a crappy list with a conservative slant.

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Most of these are true. I don't completely agree with them all, but they are true.

Thank you! Someone else who agrees this isn't all idiotic (though about half of it is). Now excuse me while I retreat before everyone else stones me for saying this xc

 

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Thank you! Someone else who agrees. Now excuse me while I retreat before everyone else stones me for saying this xc

Which ones?

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Which ones would you say are true? 

I agree with all of them a couple I might agree a little less with than the others, but they're all pretty much true. I can't be sure that how ever many percent more black people are in jail or not, but I'm not sure that it'd surprise me. Just like if you let a two year old get away with some stuff because they're two, a person will do stuff they know they can get away with for whatever reason( skin color being the thing here).

 

Well, that's a crappy list with a conservative slant.

Is it crappy because it's conservative? Or because you don't agree with it? I take it that you have more of a democratic mind then?

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I agree with all of them a couple I might agree a little less with than the others, but they're all pretty much true. I can't be sure that how ever many percent more black people are in jail or not, but I'm not sure that it'd surprise me. Just like if you let a two year old get away with some stuff because they're two, a person will do stuff they know they can get away with for whatever reason( skin color being the thing here).

 

Is it crappy because it's conservative? Or because you don't agree with it? I take it that you have more of a democratic mind then?

 

I used to be a bona-fide capital "F" fascist, and moderated a forum of racialists and assorted other far-rightists and third positionists.

 

And that is still one of the most racist things I have ever heard and I agreed with that point on the list. It's also nice to know that you think all gay men are inherent paedophiliac rapists and that people should feel a sense of shame for being poor. And that we should round up the homeless -many of whom are veterans, mind, remembering that you agree that a soldier's life is more important than that of a foreign civilian- and force them into halfway houses.

 

All good to know, yes indeed.

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I agree with all of them a couple I might agree a little less with than the others, but they're all pretty much true. I can't be sure that how ever many percent more black people are in jail or not, but I'm not sure that it'd surprise me. Just like if you let a two year old get away with some stuff because they're two, a person will do stuff they know they can get away with for whatever reason( skin color being the thing here).

 

Is it crappy because it's conservative? Or because you don't agree with it? I take it that you have more of a democratic mind then?

 

It's crappy because it lists views that someone with a lack of compassion (also racism and transphobia) would have.

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It's crappy because it lists views that someone with a lack of compassion (also racism and transphobia) would have.

Well, that's also what I gathered from reading it. That and it's a great big example of #logicfail

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It's crappy because it lists views that someone with a lack of compassion (also racism and transphobia) would have.

Well you know what they say. The truth hurts, doesn't it? I'm not being "racist". In fact, I have several friends of different races.

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It's a crappy list because there are plenty of good, true, very controversial things one could write, and the majority of these don't fit that criteria.  This is far too biased and falls out of the bounds of 'truth' in the sense that we can't back many of these points up with facts.

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Just like if you let a two year old get away with some stuff because they're two, a person will do stuff they know they can get away with for whatever reason( skin color being the thing here).

 

Well you know what they say. The truth hurts, doesn't it? I'm not being "racist". In fact, I have several friends of different races.

 

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Well, that's also what I gathered from reading it. That and it's a great big example of #logicfail

 

I agree with this. 

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Well you know what they say. The truth hurts, doesn't it? I'm not being "racist". In fact, I have several friends of different races.

 

I bet they would be pissed if they heard you compare blacks to children, and say that the aforementioned blacks commit crime because they think society will give them a free pass.

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Well you know what they say. The truth hurts, doesn't it? I'm not being "racist". In fact, I have several friends of different races.

You know what they say? #TROLL

 

I shall feed you no longer.

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Come on this thread is fun, let's try not to get it closed by jumping on people :3

 

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The thing we have to be careful about is that the data on crime is oft quoted from UCR which doesn't record corporate and federal crime, which is more common among white Americans. Prison rates are too simple, it only works if everyone got caught. If anyone has watched The House We Live In, you'll see that racial groups (and their associated crimes) are often more targeted with harsher laws, receive longer sentences and are subjected to racial profiling and discrimination by police by going into poorer minority communities to look for easy arrests to boost the department's stats. Yet whites are statistically more likely to have taken drugs (20%/10% - National Survey on Drug Use and Health 2011) while blacks are three times more likely to be arrested on drug charges. White people also led 2-1 in aggravated assault and rape (FBI Crime in the US, 2010) so to say Black people commit the most crimes is to simplify it to a 'they bring it upon themselves' stance and ignore are the inequalities and institutionalised racism going on.

 

 

9. I would agree.

 

 

To be honest I really disagree with that, the idea that *our* soldier is more important than an innocent civilian who may be doing nothing wrong is shaky ground to have as a rule of thumb. It would be interesting to see if they would have the same attitude if it was an America citizen. 

 

Some of them I don't necessarily mind *as opinions* (stating them as truths is going too far) but they come from such a xenophobic place that's it's hard not to just read it as not wanting those ignorant, barbaric Africans coming over here but having cultured white folk from Europe. The others just place personal blame to situations stripped of all societal and personal context and number 5 is pretty funny coming from a member of a part that scapegoats the 'other' so quickly.

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To be honest I really disagree with that, the idea that *our* soldier is more important than an innocent civilian who may be doing nothing wrong is shaky ground to have as a rule of thumb. It would be interesting to see if they would have the same attitude if it was an America citizen.

 

War is ugly, and collateral damage is a part of that ugliness. Is it ideal? No, but the point stands; our soldiers are more valuable to us than their civilians.

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War is ugly, and collateral damage is a part of that ugliness. Is it ideal? No, but the point stands; our soldiers are more valuable to us than their civilians.

That is, sadly, the general principle on which which war is fought.

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I'm assuming that we're talking about academic circles.

 

#1 - Still talked about (rightly so, since I haven't heard that anyone (in academic circles) have actually established a well-thought out, well-laid out, semi-definitive position on the topic of gender and its significance. Until that happens, it would seem imprudent to cease talking about it.)

#2 - I would say that this is largely settled; most would recognize that there are some who are irresponsible and some who are unfairly treated. Whether there's a majority in either section is more than I can say. It seems as though this would be "more" true in rural areas where many farms would gladly take in extra laborers.

#3 - I couldn't say but I highly doubt the verity of that claim. I'm sure, though, that some academics still talk about the subject of race and crime rates.

#4 - I'd readily concede that few who claim victim status are actually victims. But I don't really see how this is something which "can't be talked about anymore."

#5 - I highly doubt that "most" politicians in Washington D.C. are actually shameless liars. That seems like the loosing side's ad hominem. But, again, the last part of this seems to be highly likely and, for that reason, it seems likely that it's still talked about.

#6 - As much as migrants might be knowingly breaking the law, only an idiot can't utilize more man power. Ergo, it is likely the worst response to say "we owe them less than other peoples". Surely, as fellow humans, we owe them as much as we owe ourselves. One might say, "do unto the migrant as you would have done unto you."

#7 - As far as when life begins, I'm ambivalent. But the fact that it is a potential life seems more than enough to warrant the conclusion that a death in the womb is essentially similar to a death in the crib. But, again, this is still a talked about issue. Further, if I'm not mistaken, I was under the impression that it was merely conservative propaganda that abortion was widely applauded.

#8 - Like hell. (This is, rightly, not talked about. Website: 1 Reality: 8

#9 - No. (But still talked about.)

#10 - Yes. But that'd exclude as many from both sides. Likely the Tea Party wouldn't be voting. (I imagine this is talked about but what sort of conclusion could you come to on this?)

#11 - ......... If you did that, you'd have to kill all the Palestinians because EVERYONE would be pissed and terrorism needs no land to fight on but their opponent's. Pretty sure the people who count don't talk about this. (Website: 2 Reality: 13)

#12 - There's a LOT that's controversial about this. That America is successful in anything about a materialist and consumerist sense is very debateable. Also, if we were truly Christian, we'd be an anarchy. 

#13 - I'd assent to this only insofar as masculinity and femininity complement each other. But men may be feminine and women masculine.

#14 - I imagine that there are some who unjustly cry racism for example and I would imagine that races which have been most benefited in recent history by alleviation of racism are most likely to do this. But are all like this? That seems nearly impossible. I doubt people are talking about the subject of racism in those terms.

#15 -  Our government could stop certain practices and make a great deal of that money back. But I'd say that, within reason, folks should help pay for the services that they receive. That said, those who cannot pay should be made able to pay if this system is to be implemented fairly. I think this is probably still talked about.

#16 - It's the person bad a parenting who fails. Again, anyone who counts, probably isn't talking about this, at least, not in those terms. (Website: 3 Reality: 13)

#17 - I read the first line and stopped. It is an incredibly unacademic tone. (Website: 4 Reality: 13)

#18 - Fascism. (Website: 5 Reality: 13)

#19 - Refuse to take what you do not need. I think this is, likely, a still talked about issue.

#20 - If someone had not educated us, we could not have written tripe like that. How's abouts we educate those folks from third-world countries. (Website: 6 Reality: 14)

 

Consensus: Reality wins by a landslide; most of these issues are still talked about.

Edited by C. Ingram

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Abi.... why....  D: POLITICS IN AMERICA IS CRAZY AND YOU'RE JUST NOT READY FOR IT!

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