Not really; I think we touched on good subject matter concerning when God revealed Himself to man first; my position is that God constantly revealing Himself to everyone. Hence the constant evolution of spirituality itself.


Is Allah the same as Yahweh? From the lineage of Islam from Isaiah and from Elohim(or El) resembling bull gods on cave paintings, people all interpret what they see as right, but everyone is trying to do the same thing, trying to believe in what's right, but everyone does it differently. Everyone is an individual; like snowflakes all are different. So I dunno what the truth is; just that people gotta love each other. So all in all the thought that people are all damned for thinking differently is seemingly poetic.

Bc fate sometimes feels like that.

Edit God ^is constantly...

Hahahaha yeah right. People place themselves before the good, the true, and the beautiful most of the time. You're not even near to being right.



But according to you people don't think differently, they're all trying to do what they believe is right.

So the majority of humanity is, evil? If most people are not good, then, most people are bad? How can one live with the thought that humanity is more of a curse than a blessing?

Yahweh doesn't change the bible tells us this. God is unchanging. as in he doesn't change AT ALL.

Once again, if God has been a different God to different cultures then God is schizophrenic.

My God is not a schizo

This post has been edited by Hessmix: Nov 7 2009, 11:37 AM

oops sorry >.< I ment to add that Jews just do not know the father at the end of that first part. Forgot to put that.


"I am the way, the truth, and the life, none come to the Father but by Me"-Jesus Christ, there is something wrong, if they do not know Jesus, then they do not recieve salvation, we cannot reach heaven through good deeds alone "For all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God"

"Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God" I'm pretty sure thats one of the 10 commandments.

Now onto Diversity is a good thing, this is true if society is messed up, but not if it is not.


Islam is a twisted form of the Christian-Judeo world view, much like evil is the twisted form of good. Meaning what Muslims worship is much closer to Satan, than Yahweh. Jews 'worship' God, they just do not know him. As someone helped point out to me earlier. But I do quite like your response it does reveal a lot of what is.

How else do you think the Holocaust was accomplished? If people really had a resolute belief in good, then it couldn't have been accomplished. What was demonstrated is that most people live their life in an unexamined way, and so are malleable to whatever their culture teaches them, tells them to do, to be, to act as. Start a philosophy club at school, and watch how most people make sure their views are non-contradictory to a certain "orthodoxy."

People aren't intrinsically evil, just not intrinsically good; they are intrinsically impressionable, like little children.



In case you haven't noticed, you're stepping away from valid arguments to fallacies, because this is subtle ad hominem. More subtle than blatant "My opponent cheats on his wife!" but ad hominem nonetheless.

"How else do you think the Holocaust was accomplished? If people really had a resolute belief in good, then it couldn't have been accomplished. What was demonstrated is that most people live their life in an unexamined way, and so are malleable to whatever their culture teaches them, tells them to do, to be, to act as. Start a philosophy club at school, and watch how most people make sure their views are non-contradictory to a certain "orthodoxy.""

so bc atrocity and tragedy committed by small minorities of the global population means most of humanity is intrinsically evil? This seems to be what you're saying.

"Now onto Diversity is a good thing, this is true if society is messed up, but not if it is not. "

so diversity of religion is a bad thing? Diversity of religion is bad for society?


"Yahweh doesn't change the bible tells us this. God is unchanging. as in he doesn't change AT ALL.

Once again, if God has been a different God to different cultures then God is schizophrenic.

My God is not a schizo"

so if you change your mind you're a schizo? Perhaps God doesn't change but everyone interprets the idea of God differently. This would explain how people were worshipping God thousands of years ago across oceans who would never have even had any idea of Yahweh.

But God does change; why would He suddenly change His mind concerning the salvation if man bt the old and new testaments?

It is explicitly what I'm not saying, if you would only read all of what I said;

If they're not good then that means they are bad/evil. If you're not good or bad you're neutral.

That's exactly what I was saying. People are neither intrinsically good or evil, but very impressionable.

"Hahahaha yeah right. People place themselves before the good, the true, and the beautiful most of the time. You're not even near to being right."

well this above statement doesn't reflect that people on a whole are "neutral".

That's how society shapes them to be. One places others' opinions ahead of themselves by being impressionable.

God didn't change. Bible tells us it was God's plan to rescue to Jews by sending Jesus all along. The Trinity always existed, its not something that magically popped into existence.

"That's how society shapes them to be. One places others' opinions ahead of themselves by being impressionable."

You really are just drawing conclusions where there is no evidence. You're admitting you're not good just impressionable?

"
God didn't change. Bible tells us it was God's plan to rescue to Jews by sending Jesus all along. The Trinity always existed, its not something that magically popped into existence. "

well it seems God left that part ot of the Bible; how Jesus always existed but little to no evidence to support that.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1





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Also the Holy Spirit has been the Bible for a long time.

People who aren't philosophically self-aware (or "unexamined" in the Socratic sense) remain more impressionable than those who examine their lives more.

And my evidence is human nature throughout history.

So people are neither good nor bad just impressionable? Impressionability isn't even in the same league of nature of quality as good or bad.

You're comparing qualities that aren't necessarily comparable.

You really make life seem more complicted than it should be.

Boom.



And for like the 6th time...
What AquinasD is arguing is that humans are neither intrinsically good or bad; they are 'neutral', or perhaps 'moderate' if you see bad to merely be the privation of good; but that they are impressionable, and thus if their culture is one which promotes good, then the impressionable human is likely to be good, and if the culture promotes bad, then the impressionable human is likely to be bad.



Fixed.

Impressionable isn't even a comparable quality to good or bad.

""In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1"

since theres no "beginning" this verse is allegorical rather than an actual blanket statement.

"Fixed"

how? There's absolutely no objective logic in this thread. Is this a debate or a children's Sunday school class where truth isn't allowed?

I'm not proposing that people's impressionablism is necessarily a good or evil thing; its a morally neutral thing.



I'm not comparing them.



Because the poor college-educated mpok can't keep up with my terms and premises? There's nothing inherently better about something being either simple or complicated. The more important things are often more complicated, however.



Would you like some "objective logic?" The term "objective logic" is redundant.

"I'm not proposing that people's impressionablism is necessarily a good or evil thing; its a morally neutral thing."

weird believing less in good and more on "neutrality".

"Because the poor college-educated mpok can't keep up with my terms and premises? There's nothing inherently better about something being either simple or complicated. The more important things are often more complicated, however."

no; your positions are often too ridiculous and ludicrous to dignify with a real answer. You complicate and pervert very simple ideas to a conglmeration o incompetence.

"Would you like some "objective logic?" The term "objective logic" is redundant"

well obviously you don't know what either of those words mean.

*Shudders*

You should try reading your own posts.

Typos are your friend.

Don't know if you're trying to be ironic since your posts are full of typos or what...