I have been thinking about this a lot and asked a few different kind of people and am not too sure if we do all worship the same God.

This is my logical chain:

Muslims, Christians and Jews all say they worship the God of Abraham
Therefore, although some differences, all three religions worship the same God.

Now if one does agree with the above statement, they then also acknowledge the fact that loyal Muslims and Jews, to God, Dios, Allah, Yaweh will be going to heaven.


Do you agree or disagree with these statements?

Now if I was a Muslim I dont think I would become a Christian.
1) Muslims have more honour and morals than a lot of Christians
2) Muslims are more respectful and reverent to God/Allah than Christians.
There are quite a few others, but it just doesn't seem to make sense, if only Christians are going to heaven why is that the case? When 1 and 2 are usually correct about Muslims.

Anyways so what do you think?

Im still sitting on the fence on this one...

Note: Please dont say that Muslims worship Allah and we worship God...Allah is a name for God like Dieu, Dios etc

Jesus said that there'd be people in heaven that we wouldn't expect and people in hell that we wouldn't expect...

I believe that if a Muslim has never heard about the Christian Jesus and lives their life in complete devotion and in reverance of Allah, then there really is no good reason why God would send them to hell... :/

Except for, y'know, the fact that they sinned, which is good enough reason for anybody to be damned to Hell...

It is entirely possible that you and I have a different understanding of "perfection", thus it is also possible for any two person to be worshiping different gods.

It's very hard to posit a different sense of perfection when its posited in the sense the Scholastic philosophers used it and that it is now used in regards to God in theology. That you can misrepresent the meaning of "perfection" here due to a lack of context doesn't mean that you have defeated the argument, it only means you've defeated an argument that wasn't made.

Christians worship Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the Father.

Some Jews worship the Father.

Muslims worship a warped version of the Father.

No, we do not worship the same God in any way that matters.



I disagree. When my perfect being is a Jewish man on a cross, and the gnostic's is an unknowable and distant "force," the gnostic clearly does not worship my version of the perfect entity.

This post has been edited by Yves: Oct 28 2009, 11:10 PM

What about radical christians? Killing abortion doctors and homosexuals?



Yet, we all say we worship the God of Abraham?


Come on you cant say, 'I like Jews, they are nice people, so we worship the same God as us, but those dirty Muslims they dont because they have radicals, Christianity has none, so therefore they do not worship the same God.'

Ever heard of the IRA?



Thats silly, if you make up a language and decide to call God, hitre, The hitre is God, its a name.

Spanish speakers call God Dios. Therefore we dont worship the Same God as them as they worship Dios and we worship God, see how stupid that sounds?

How is this relevant? The question is "Do Muslims, Christians and Jews worship the same God?" Whether they are free to choose who they worship is completely irrelevant. Sigh.

On topic:
I don't think we can doubt that Christians and Jews worship the same God, although Christians obviously have the addition of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. As for Muslims... I take AquinasD's argument that they are all worshipping the infinite, perfect being, which is one and the same, but their perception of him and what he does is certainly very different.

They suck too.



Lol what? I said if I create a religion but in my religion I say Abraham talked to God but changed what was said would it still be the same God that Christians and Jews believe in. I dont know where you were going with your point on different languages...

Anyone got any proof? no?

Hmm. I thoght you guys had alllll of life's answers.

People are right to worship as they please; if people have a problem with it, then they need to go to antibiggot camp.

What are you even talking about?

You must have clicked the wrong thread. We're talking about whether Muslims, Christians and Jews worship the same God. There's probably another thread somewhere about whether people have the 'right to worship as they please'. If there is no such thread I'm sure you can go set one up.
Probably a good idea in future if you read the OP.

We all worship the same god. It's just that a certain one of these groups happens to do it wrong.

If Yahweh and Allah are the same then God is a schizo

That would only be valid if Islam were true.

I do not know if this has been said or not, but, Christians believe that Jesus is the prince of peace, the King of Kings, and so on and so forth, and the Bible says if you do not know Jesus you do not know the father which is in heaven, so in all technicallities, we are worshipping different Gods.

Now there is also the major difference of the Gods we serve, the Muslims serve a distant, uncaring God, that wants anyone who doesn't worship Him murdered.(and if you read the Q'uaran thats exactly what you get) Where as the Christian-Judeo God is always reaching out to his Children and always gives them the opportunity to come back to Him. Both concepts are completely different, so different infact, that it is very hard to say that we are worshipping the same God. And that is to say, that if the Muslims are worshipping God at all, and not Satan himself.

This.


Yeah, I agree with this. We do all worship the same God, but Muslims' view of God is skewed. They are misguided and do not recognize God for who He is, but they are still attempting to worship Him.


I would question whether these people are truly Christians or just 'identifying with a title'...

Just making a point



But we believe that Jesus was Yahweh incarnate therefore for us Christians there is no difference. Also the Jews do believe in a Messiah figure that would be sent by God.

Our teachings and the Jew's teachings line up. Islam's does not line up with us.

There's nothing immoral or wrong with being a religion other than Christian.

So it really doesn't matter if they're worshipping the same God or not.

Diversity of belief is a GOOD thing.

But only if those beliefs conforms to a belief in diversity, the value of life, and sewer systems. God help those who don't believe in sewer systems.

And this really isn't on topic :x The OP isn't asking "is it right that Muslims worship God."

This post has been edited by Yves: Oct 30 2009, 05:33 PM

Christians,Jews and Muslims all worship the same God, but believe different things about God. End of story.

^^

This quote has no bearing on the thread and doesn't even attempt to answer the original question. The question is, is it the same God, no whether one or the other is more valid.

This is a difficult subject.

I would say no. Muslims do not worship the same God as Christians. While they say they worship the same God known to Jews and Christians, the Quran contains very different stories to the Old Testament and New Testament. They flatly deny the Trinity and the deity of Christ and the Quran presents a warped version of the Father.

As for Jews, this too is a bit touchy. They worship the Father, but they have a very legalistic view of salvation and also deny the deity of Christ or the Trinity. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father but through me" (John 14:6). The Jews worship only the Father, not the full Godhead, so essentially do not worship the same God we do.

And there is great disagreement about which one.

A warped version of the Father is still the Father though.

They all might have stemmed from the same religion, but Muslims and Jews don't worship Jesus and they don't have the Spirit. Because of this, they cannot know the Father. They cannot be worshiping the true God of the Bible.