But why do they have to actually know him to worship him? That doesn't really make sense.

You guys have a really weird way of defining this. Yes, they worship the same God as us, they just do not do it in the manner that our God does.

I'm really confused how you guys can all claim not understanding the Truth of God = not worshiping Him. To say this would be the same as saying that because someone doesn't understand my reactions and thinks that I'm a distant person or something like that means that they don't talk to me. Just because they have a confused view of me doesn't meant that they're not talking to me. The same idea is with God and worship. Just because they don't understand God doesn't mean they don't worship Him. It just means that their worship is in vain.

How do you intentionally worship something you don't know?

No, everyone is not a child of God



As for the OP, they do not worship God and do not hold to our God, that applies to both Jews and Muslims.

This post has been edited by God-Sent: Oct 30 2009, 09:17 PM

What I'm saying is that there are substantial differences in the nature and personality of the gods the three groups worship. Just because they have some similar qualities, such as omnipotence, does not mean that they are the same God. They may worship something, but that something is not the same thing as the God I worship. Most concretely, Christians worship Jesus, and Jews/Muslims do not. Hence, we worship different gods.

Saying that the Trinity is the same as the gods of Islam and modern Judaism is like saying that a fox is the same as a cat just because they all have fur, claws, and can be called mammals.

This post has been edited by Yves: Oct 31 2009, 02:45 AM

Very interesting concept, Thanks you.



How so?

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This post has been edited by Decoy: Oct 30 2009, 11:06 PM

While the heart of Muslims may be devout than many Christians, lack of devotion does not determine what is true or not. Devotion goes on a person by person basis and cannot be applied for the whole religion.
Also, yes they all have the same history, however the most correct are the Jews and Christians. Islam picked up after Jesus, and simply accentuated old testament history. While the Jews know God, they lost his blessings when they were undevoted to His commands, and denied his Son. Jesus fulfills all the Jewish prophecies and so is simply and continuation. The jews failed to recognize this, because as in times before they wanted what they thought God should give them, not what God wanted to give them. So while they all have the same ancestral roots, they do not worship the one true God. They only have part of the puzzle, but they are missing that essential middle piece of salvation.

Easy. All other religions except for Christianity. Worship and image of what they consider to be God. Not God Himself. All other religions are of demonic origins. They may claim to hold to the same God, but by no means does that mean they do hold to the same God.

Thats fair enough, but what about what Zabby said?



They just have a warped view of God...

No. They do not know God at all. They have created a false god. Like the prophets of Baal and Baal-worship and all other religions except Christianity.

They say they worship the God of Abraham.
We say we worship the God of Abraham
Therefore, we all worship the God of Abraham.

Poor reasoning. I can claim to be a Christian but that doesn't make me one. Claiming to no someone does not mean that the person does or even is talking about the same person. They do not serve the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

They do not know the God of Abraham. In fact, the Jews don't either.

Any religion outside of Christ and what he did for us is demonic in origins and not of God.

I have a friend called Dave, and Dave asks another friend of mine what is my favourite film, the mate tells Dave it is Twilight but Dave doesnt know I hate Twilight because he doesnt properly understand me. I am still his mate, he just assumes I like Twilight.

You see it is different than:

I have a friend called Phill, I have wrote a complete biography about my life and gave it to him and asked him to read it. He refuses to read it and know nothing about me.

You see these two statements are very different?




Thats a big statement with no evidence



Thats an even bigger statement with NO EVIDENCE.

God is my evidence and scripture.

19 The Pharisees asked him, "Where is your father?" Jesus replied, "You don't know me or my Father. If you knew me, you would also know my Father." 20 Jesus spoke these words while he was teaching in the treasury area of the temple courtyard. No one arrested him, because his time had not yet come. (John 8:19-20 GW)

The Jews replied to Jesus, "Abraham is our father." Jesus told them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do what Abraham did. 40 I am a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. But now you want to kill me. Abraham wouldn't have done that.

Jesus told them, "If God were your Father, you would love me. -GW

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. -KJV

Jesus told them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me. -NLT


Baal, Molech, Gnostics, and etc... down to Islam, modern Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and etc.. are all godless pagan religions and all practicing them and not following Christ will go to Hell.

Thats a sad view point mate. If no Muslims go to heaven, because they didnt know the whole truth, then I would rather die in hell then take part with a God who is not a just and merciful God.

God is Just and merciful. They go to Hell because they will not accept the truth and they believe a lie.

Tell me how a Muslim is supposed to accept Jesus as their saviour if they dont know anything about Him?

Everyone has the chance to come to God. Your disagree with me because you don't trust that God gives everyone a chance, even those of different religions to come to Him.

Thats very untrue. I trust God gives freedom of choice and does use the Islamic religion to show Himself, at times. I know many devout Muslims who serve God much more devout than what a lot of 'Christians' do. And I know God doesnt send innocent people to hell, He doesnt send babies or people who dont have the Law (ROmans 2) to hell.

Well, I'm sorry to tell you but those devout Muslims are going to Hell, because they are following a lie. All other religions take a person to Hell.

There are many roads to Hell...names of some: Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and etc. Being a good person doesn't get you to heaven.

This post has been edited by God-Sent: Oct 31 2009, 04:31 AM

Its a good thing you are not God...I think many true Christians would rather perish in hell than to spend eternity with an unmercful and evil god.



Interesting

This post has been edited by Solja247: Oct 31 2009, 04:37 AM

I'm stating what the Bible says. Sorry, that you don't like it.


Point? We are not saved by the law. We are condemned by the law.



Interesting

God of the Bible

This post has been edited by God-Sent: Oct 31 2009, 04:52 AM

Moved to Christian Debates

Sorry to burst your bubble, but judaism is definetely not demonic in origin. Prior to the coming of Christ, it was the one religion which worshipped the lord in the way he set out.