Well that deals with the same question I asked above. His definition of "a being" is a distinct individual of a species, therefore not applying to snot or skin cells.



A blastocyst is a human being.



A blastocyst is not unwanted flesh. A blastocyst is a human being. A piece of flesh is not a human being, nor does it develop to form what you and others consider a human being.

Any chance you could reference that part of the bill?



Ahh, pull off the ol' Rosa Parks eh

I like the logic, but isn't it a bit of slippery slope? How do we know that "several thousand" citizens would follow suit and be willingly imprisoned at the expense of leaving their families, etc?

What makes your definition of "a being" any more applicable than mine?

OK, I'll take the bait.

Are living skin cells not living beings? Being means fact of existence. Living means it is alive (has life). Live skin cells are beings in that they have a state of existence, and they have life. Would that not make them living beings (fulfilling 2). They also have human DNA (fulfilling 1). How would they not be human beings?

This was debunked a few pages ago, this argument is used all the time, whether it be snot, nail clippings, hair, etc. All of these are human. However, they are not human beings. They are a part of a human being.



A portion of skin is not a human being.



A blastocyst is part of the development of a human being.



We are composed of billions of human components. We are one human being.

OK, I'm very much pro-life, but it's time to play devil's advocate since I want to form an excellent in-depth opinion on this matter, and no one really refutes your argument on it.

You believe a fetus is an individual person right? How can this be so when the fetus is attached to the mother, and relies on her to live? I read in another post that a fetus is simply a symbiotic life form. Can you refute this as well?

By your logic, are you stating that since the fetus receives nutrients from the mother, the fetus possesses the mother? Possession being nine tenths of the law, the fetus should decide whether he or she will keep the mother then.

I am a beginner debater so really ram it to me.

This is great, I have now been opened up into new concepts I hadn't realized before. Should I accidentally swallow a spider, I am now part spider, considering possession is nine tenths the law. Now to go perform my mutations.

Does she control when the fetus kicks? Or when he or she moves their hands? That's something I haven't heard before. The fetus may be in her body, but how does that make it her body? The fetus is a human being of its own, hence, it is not the woman's body. They possess their own DNA. Possession is nine tenths of the law.

Well this is certainly a deep request, so I hope I can give you a response other than "I'll be praying."

I hope you can still dig deep and find the joy in your life that you so desperately need. I will pray for it, since I know how a small bit of depression feels, and I can hardly imagine the burden you are carrying around. If you feel you're doing the right thing, keep going! You have others behind you. You're in God's army, and God's army wins.

I was diagnosed with a disease called Mastoid Cell Disease, or something similar. I've been reassured that it will be handled properly, but have to have surgery to fix it up. I'm not too worried or stressed about it. I'm actually glad that it will be done and my dizzy spells should end, which would be awesome. Pray that everything comes through just perfect as I assume it will. Thank you all indeed!

When passing by a group of telephone holes that seem close together while I'm on a bus... I try to snap every time I'm in-between two of them.

Also guilty of eating in sections.

How is the baby her body?

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Because abortion is legal doesn't prevent it from being a murder.

Yea, what are we thinking? Planning to restrict the freedom of our women to a point that they can't even kill their own babies. Sheesh!

1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

If it is convenient, the sperm can be removed from the rape victim soon after... however, I can see where at times it would be impossible to do so. However, I just don't see killing it as a proper solution. Adoption would be a better option... the victim is going to be scarred no matter what, but I also believe an abortion would be just as emotionally scarring.

Embryo : An organism in its early stages of development.

Humans are such organisms.

Indeed I do!

I also love computers, and hope it is my occupation one day.

You will love the new 1GB of ram if you get it, I also had 512, and recently got a gig so i'm at 1.5 and I love it! Definite speed increase. Sorry about the dial-up, I remember those days. Not so bad though, you still get where you need to go, and you have time for a cookie while waiting hehe!

I experienced a time like this recently. Very VERY similar, if not the same as you.

Keep in mind... the devil loves it. He doesn't want you feeling that connection. You're a child of God, and he doesn't like it. When you find yourself having trouble finding words to say, read out of Psalms, start at 56:3. Repeat those versus to him. Pray with your pastor, that is definitely helpful. You're not alone, trust me, lots of people go through this, you've got a whole army behind you... your church family, your own family, me, and especially God.

Just remember that, it's hard to do it alone. You're a part of the army of the Lord! Stand up, don't turn around, refuse to lose this Holy war! (Derived from this song... listen to it, it gives me reassurance and always gives me the chills: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhR1G4naBwQ)

h03t said it exactly as well. We assure you, you are perfectly normal . Stomp the devil down, it makes you feel good. I like to actually physically stomp sometimes, it makes me smile, of course try to do it while alone hehe!

Alright I just wanted to get my little story off my chest, I know you guys hear them all the time, but I hope you can still grasp my message.

So about 3 weeks or so ago, I experienced two panic attacks. It was the worst thing I had ever experienced (i'm pretty healthy) and they scared me for some reason. After the panic attacks I felt a constant depression, and I was really depressed about nothing, just simply always melancholy. I constantly felt scared of things I hadn't before (being alone at the house) and always felt so lonely, despite starting back school with all my friends. I got a silly thought in my head that I was submitting to demons and turning into something evil, and did nothing but sit in bed all the time. Despite everyone telling me it was just a mental thing, I felt horrible. I sort of got over it, and my mood improved for a few days, until another panic attack came on, and I got hopeless and felt emotionally disabled again. I was able to fight it a bit better this time, but finally realized I couldn't do this alone. I had been praying this whole time, but I felt I wasn't really doing anything. I felt that my words were just that... words that I felt like I had to say, I didn't feel like I was making the connection. Well to sum it up I called my pastor and got things worked out, and after a simple talk and prayer and some bible-reading, my mood has changed drastically. I can't stop smiling, even while recently being yelled at hehe! I love it and just want to share my little story, and hope that anyone that goes through anything like this knows that you will really struggle trying to do it alone. Just stay in God's marvelous light, you've got a whole army behind you... your brothers and sisters in Christ, your pastor, your family, friends... Use them!!!

Thank you Jesus!

I think the best choice would be to do what God wants.

Hey AquinasD...

Do you also believe that the zygote is a human being? Just making sure, I like your logical reasoning on things, and it will come in handy for the debate coming up at school.

I agree completely. The Zygote produced by fertilization contains the DNA from both Mom and Dad, creating a completely separate cell with all the info necessary to create the new human.



If your wife/girlfriend ever wanted to shoot an innocent lady walking across the street, you honestly think you could stop her? Abortion is controversial, but I don't think any aspects of it focus on men seeking ultimate dominance and power by controlling the woman involved. For me, as a pro-lifer, it boils down to keeping babies alive!

Haha, I would love to see the day someone writes a song for his girl on the drums. Hmmm idk, those toms can really sya "I Love You!".

As for me, drums rule! I play the drums, guitar, and bass, and the drums are by far the most fun to play. Sure it's great throwing in some cool riffs on the guitar (although rythm can be boring), but doing an awesome fast fill around the whole drum set is very fun, especially with praise and worship songs...

Oh and yes, this is my first post, didn't know such a place existed. Sweet!