I just got back from getting my shot. :3 No side-effects so far!

I don't mean this in a rude way, but how the heck do you get away with that? I mean I think they're required to give you some when you're little.

Anyway, I doubt I'll get it. I'm not real keen on needles, plus I'm too lazy.

No, there's really nothing that's required to my knowledge, strongly recommend maybe, but not required. My niece, who is 14-months-old, has never had a shot before. She's never had her inoculations, which are given to infants at only 2 weeks of age. Do you realize how terrible that can be to a little newborn's body? Geez, it's crazy.

I kind of went off subject, I'm sorry. Anyway...no, I've never had a shot. I didn't even get any for when I traveled to Europe for the first time. I kind of "convinced" my mission team leader into letting me "not" get them. Lol.

You do realize that's extremely dangerous and irresponsible, right?

You're basically leeching off the rest of the population that have gotten vaccinations. When the majority of the human population around you has been immunized against certain viruses/disease/etc, it creates a sort of circle of protection for the few who have not been immunized. (there's a scientific term for this, but I can't remember it off the top of my head)

But if you take the few that have not been immunized out from the protective circle of the much larger population that has been, and you stick them together, guess what's bound to happen? They get sick. They're not longer protected, and thus spread illness because they are then much more susceptible to catching the viruses/illness/etc.

You're putting yourself, and other people who also refuse to get vaccinations at risk.

It's also our constitutional right to not be forced to take vaccines. I know alot of people that never got vaccines as children, and they turned out alright.

Any parent who does not get their child vaccinated against whooping cough and stuff like that when they are infants, are complete failures as parents, and complete idiots as humans.

Look, I'm not going to argue or debate over this, because I'll only be wasting my breath. I'm not going to change your opinion and you certainly won't be able to change mine, so why bother discussing it? Obviously we don't agree on this certain subject, and it's pretty clear that this topic was not created for debating so, let's drop it.



Exactly, thank you for pointing that out. Regardless of whether my choice to not to be vaccinated is risky or not, I have the freedom and right to refuse vaccinations and should not be forced to get them by anyone, not even the government. It's MY body, not their's. (okay mine and God's, lol).

This post has been edited by Miss Spaulding: Oct 24 2009, 11:32 AM

and your ability to state the obvious never fails to impress. if you know people who weren't vaccinated when they were younger then of course nothing bad would have happened to them! otherwise you wouldn't know them. I mean, you would hardly know anyone in the same generation as you who died because they didn't get their DPT et al. would you?

I don't consider myself "caught up in the hype", but I admit I'm concerned more than a lot of people I know (doesn't help when a guy I know who had it wound me up about it) but being diabetic and asthmatic, I am in the high risk group, and when I get normal flu it makes me really ill for about three weeks :/ So I'll be getting the vaccination at the first opportunity as a "just in case" thing. Got my regular flu jab a few days ago, my arm is still a little swollen from it :s

You're completely missing my point. Your "right" is putting not only yourself, but others at risk. It's irresponsible.
Edit: Also your friends are very lucky to have not gotten sick so far. But clearly, if they had gotten a virus/illness, they wouldn't be so lucky now would be? No, they'd of gotten it because they were not vaccinated.

And guess what would most likely happen if we took your friends, and everyone else foolish enough to reject vaccinations and stuck all of them together, away from the population (that has been vaccinated) that they're leeching from? They'll get sick, possibly die, as they would no longer be protected by the larger population.

This post has been edited by FlyingNun: Oct 25 2009, 02:46 PM

This is why the disease spreads and we need the vaccines in the first place... people go about their lives while sick and spread their viruses around. Agh, that frustrates me to no end.

I'm not getting the vaccine though. I'm not worried about swine flu.

If I get it and it's not as bad as they say, yay!

If I get it and die from it, I'll go to Heaven! YAY TIMES THREE

I really dont give a dang one way or the other. Swine flu isnt near as dangerous as people make it out to ba and more people are killed monthly by normal flu then are annually by h1n1. I have a friend who just had it and shes alive and kicking. This whole idea that the vaccine is a plot to anialate a segment of the population is completely unfounded and quite frankly very unintelligent. The posts about the vaccine on here were obviously posted by people who personally have little to no knowledge in such matters and are merely basing their "facts" on "well i heards". If you think the american Government is that evil or just that dumb then maybee you should go live in a different country for a while. Try living in Haiti for a couple months. I guarantee you that will open your eyes a little and take your focus of yourself and these convoluted conspiracies!

The swine flu is no big deal. Me, my hubby, my son (too young anyway), and everyone else in my family will NOT be getting this vaccine. The risks FAR outweigh any benefits. No one in my family will be getting the regular flu vaccine either.

Oh, and for those that think not getting vaccines is irresponsible.. Vaccines actually suppress your immune system. Do you really t hink God made a mistake in creating you? That his design is imperfect and that we need to rely on man made vaccines that have soo many side effects?

Besides.. why are you soooo worried about others not getting vaccines? You got the vaccine. You should be protected. If the vaccine does what you say it does, you should not be worried at all.

i had the vaccine, and my head is soon to explode, and my body is turning green. no seriously you guys, come on. its a simple nasal spray, or vaccine. it won't kill you. they are very safe and clean and protective about it. they interrogate you about what meds your on, if you've had the flu, etc befor eyou get it, they stick you or spray the bottle up your nose like nasal spray, and your done. the worst thing is the wait, but its worth it considering you are immune to the virus thank God.

This post has been edited by swampfox14: Oct 25 2009, 09:04 PM

You're absolutely right. No one can force anyone to get a vaccine. There are "requirements" in order to get into kindergarten, etc, but there are exemption laws and papers that can be signed. *thumbs up*

Do you think God's going to protect everyone from all viruses?
No of course not, we need vaccinations for that. Why do you think vaccinations were made in the first place? Because they're needed for a healthy society.

As for the side effects. Please list them. I'd love to know what's worse then being killed from a virus you could of been protected from if you would of just gotten the vaccination in the first place.



I'm not worried about myself, I got myself vaccinated. It's the fools refusing to get themselves, and possibly even their own children (thus irresponsibly putting their own kids at risk) that I worry for. And they're leeching off the larger population of people who have been vaccinated.

Don't want vaccinations? Fine, you should be shipped off to an island with other non-vaccinated people. See how long you all last before catching and then spreading small pox to one another. Stop leeching off the rest of us.

I have an immune system for a reason.
ETA: I do not think it is God's job to never let us get sick. He gave us an immune system so that our own bodies can fight against illnesses. Add onto that modern technology and knowledge about cleanliness,...

Fact is, many diseases were already very much on the decline before vaccines were even introduced. We are not healthier because of vaccines, but because of good hygiene. There is a much greater risk of experiencing side effects from a vaccine (and potentially serious side effects) than contracting the disease itself.

Furthermore, many of the childhood vaccines are vaccines against self limiting viruses and diseases. Self limiting means that the disease is not normally deadly and the child will recover in a timely manner. God gave us an immune system so that if we did come by such a virus, we'd fight it off and built up our own, natural, life-long immunity. For example, Rotavirus is a recommended vaccine. I'd say there is still a great majority of people that fully vaccinate their children, yet Rotavirus is still the number one cause of diarrhea in children. Children that have been vaccinated still come down with the virus. Further research would tell you that the vaccine does not guarantee that your child will not get the virus. It is not a life-long immunity, nor will it even guarantee not getting the virus. Why put something in your child's body that has all sorts of immuno-suppressing properties, all sorts of potentially harmful things, when it does not even guarantee immunity?

Despite the flu vaccine, the number of deaths per year have NOT gone down. It hasn't even made a dent. I think that speaks for itself.

And I haven't even seen anything brought up about the potential side effect of being PARALYZED by the H1N1 vaccine....

This post has been edited by tessa_s212: Oct 25 2009, 11:13 PM

Exactly mate. You got that right!



I haven't ever gotten one shot. I have gotten away of it.

Wow, such hostility towards those who choose not to get vaccinated. Perhaps you could describe how we are leeching off of the vaccinated population by not getting vaccinated? Not really following that thought.....

That makes about as much sense as shipping off everyone that has AIDS to a island, so that there is no possibility of spreading it.

I can do all things through christ who strengthens me. So therefore I can be healed of all these viruses that come my way!



I haven't been vaccinated all my life. 13 years and no viruses or nothing. That is not a miracle trust me.

That's a very foolish, immature statement to make, quite frankly. Is there no possibility of respecting other's views and opinions and keeping the discussion on a mature level. Afterall, remember, we're not children. Evidently it never accure to you that everyone on this earth is different, and that includes their opinions.

This post has been edited by Miss Spaulding: Oct 26 2009, 10:16 AM

I already explained how. You're protected by the larger population that has been vaccinated. Hence, you're leeching off the rest of us.



It makes wonderful sense. Fools who wish to put themselves and children at risk shouldn't be allowed to leech off the rest of us.



Well clearly our immune systems are not enough, or else we wouldn't need vaccinations in the first place.
You can be clean for only so much.



Do you have any links to support your statement? Clearly, our better hygiene is not good enough, or else we wouldn't need vaccinations at all.
Also, there's no evidence to support the statement that there are greater risks of experience side effects, then getting the actual disease itself.

Also, would you rather get the a side effect, or the actual disease which will most likely kill you? You need to consider which is more worthy of risking. A side effect, or your life.



Again, clearly our immune systems are not good enough or else we wouldn't need the vaccinations in the first place. Our immune systems are simply not enough.



Duh, this is why doing research on vaccinations should be encouraged. Of course NO vaccination is going to protect everyone 100%, there's always a chance you can still get the virus.
But that's not what the vaccinations are for. They are given out so that the majority of the population doesn't get it and thus lowers the risk of an outbreak.



You need a 100% guarantee? That's foolish thinking, because you're never going to get a 100% guarantee (at least for now). Do you guarantee that when you drive, you'll get from point A to point B? No, there's a chance you'll get into an accident and die.
Weigh the risks. Do your research.



Which flu? The regular one is constantly changing every year. It becomes stronger and stronger to the vaccinations (evolving) so in reality, the current vaccine isn't going to do much against the newer, stronger strain.
As for the Swine flu, it's a terrible one. It's not even flu season and we're already seeing more deaths this year then from the regular flu.



I haven't seen anyone even bring up be potential side effect of being paralyzed at all. If you're going to be all worried over side effects, list then and then weigh the risks against getting the actual flu itself. Is the risk of a side effect worth getting the actual flu/disease (and perhaps, dying from it)?

You're more then welcome to put yourself at risk, but it would be better if you lived with other people who are doing the same. See how long you all last without the protection of the larger vaccinated population.



Do you say that to the faces of the people who have gotten the virus's?



Do you live in or near a large population of humans that have been vaccinated? If so, they're protecting you. If not, then you're lucky (I don't believe in miracles) however, should you get into contact with another human that does have a nasty virus or disease, your chances of getting it are extremely high. You could end up being a carrier and thus, spread it around to other non-vaccinated people.



I don't respect other peoples views or opinions if they're downright insane.
An opinion is an opinion and does not hold nearly as much water as a fact. I'll take fact over opinion.

I grew up in a house in which NO ONE got the flu vaccine. No one ever got the flu. We had no one to 'leech off of'. I was in interaction with people at school that came down with the flu that HAD HAD THe vaccine, but never once have I gotten it.

"A major part of the decline in deaths from these causes
since about 1900 may be attributed to the virtual disappearance of
these infectious diseases"
"Any change in the rates of decline
which may have occurred subsequent to the interventions could
only be minute."
"In general, medical measures (both chemotherapeutic andprophylactic)
appear to have contributed little to the overall decline in
mortality in the United States since about 1900-having in many
instances been introduced several decades after a marked decline
had already set in and having no detectable influence in most
instances. More specifically, with reference to thosefive conditions
(influenza, pneumonia, diphtheria, whooping cough, andpoliomyelitis)
for which the decline in mortality appears substantial after the
point of intervention-and on the unlikely assumption that all of
this decline is attributable to the intervention-it is estimated that at
most 3.5 percent of the total decline in mortality since 1900 could be
ascribed to medical measures introduced for the diseases considered
here."
http://lingli.ccer.edu.cn/he2007/readings/n03_product_1.pdf


I do hope you realize how unreasonable and childish you are being. That is not a way to conduct yourself. You can get vaccines if you like. I won't call you foolish for doing so. But you doing that to others shows your lack of character and maturity. IF you don't like me saying this, perhaps you should analyze why you'd say such awful things to others. Please, learn to show some decency and act in a Godly manner.

Um you just said you didnt want to call her a fool and then said she was immature and and had a lack of character. She was actually very respectful and kind in her posts in my oppinion. I think you are simply feeling offended cause she is chalenging something you believe in and you find your identity in those beliefs rather in Christ alone. Its not wrong to tell someone that you think their oppinion is wrong but it is wrong to belittle them for their oppinion. Try and show a little grace and love to others even when they dont agree with you completely on everything.
By the way you didnt give any historical evidence to prove you're theory. What you cave was saturated with supposition and speculation. You ever hear of yellow fever? It is estimated by WHO that it causes 200,000 illnesses and 30,000 deaths in unvaccinated populations.
Between 1840 and the 1950s, polio was a worldwide epidemic. Since the development of polio vaccines, the incidence of the disease has been greatly reduced. Polio has been wiped out in a number of countries. There have been very few cases of polio in the Western hemisphere since the late 1970s. Polio immunization (vaccine) effectively prevents poliomyelitis in most people (immunization is over 90% effective).
Smallpox was once found throughout the world, causing illness and death wherever it occurred. It mainly affected children and young adults. Family members often infected each other.

There are two forms of smallpox:

* Variola major is a serious illness that can be life threatening in people who have not been vaccinated
* Variola minor is a milder infection that rarely causes death
A massive program by the World Health Organization (WHO) wiped out all known smallpox viruses from the world in 1977, except for samples some governments saved for research purposes. The United States stopped giving the smallpox vaccine in 1972. In 1980, the WHO recommended that all countries stop vaccinating for smallpox.
Tetanus is a potentially deadly nervous system disease due to the bacteria Clostridium tetani (C. tetani). Tetanus is completely preventable by active tetanus immunization. Immunization is thought to provide protection for 10 years. Studies of soldiers suggest that good protection persists up to 12 years after the last immunization.

In the United States, immunizations begin in infancy with the DTaP series of shots. The DTaP vaccine is a "3-in-1" vaccine that protects against diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus. It is a safer version of an older vaccine known as DTP, which is no longer used in the U.S.
If you still think vaccines are useless then try googling measles or diptheria.
Ok i know i kind of drifted off course there but it is simply wrong to say that vaccines are useless or destructive. Where did you get this theory that they cause us to leech off of of others immune systems? Are you a medical person? Saying you think its wrong to have vaccines is like saying its wrong to take medicine and saying that is completely absurd. Where does the Bible advocate that? As christians we have a responsiblity to take care of what God has given us and that means taking medicines that can save our bodies. Saying that you never got the flu because you werent vaccinated and those that were got it anyway is similar to saying you never got shot because you didnt where a kevlar vest while there were those who were shot and killed who did where a kevlar vest. Your logis is flawed.
All that having been said i think you are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to snap anyone's head off if they challenge your position. Discussion is a healthy thing...

I know a few people in my area who died of the swine flu. Trust me, it's not just dirty people in Mexico dying of it.
Very sad.
A lot of people in my school already have swine flu and are out.
From what they've told me, it's worse than the regular flu, but still technically "a mild case" of H1N1.

But anyways, I will, under NO circumstance, get the vaccine. I don't trust doctors one bit.



Excuse me, nobody knows all the side effects of this stupid vaccine.
So how am I leeching off people who are getting vaccinated? They don't protect us at all. Just because my neighbor got vaccinated means I'm protected by them? That means I'm not gonna get it? Sweet. Too bad that doesn't work.

Well, you had your rude opinion, so here's my rude PERSONAL opinion, which I don't expect anyone to share:
I think anybody who gets the vaccine is a freaking idiot.
The end.