Telesphore Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Bah humbug. Rewarding dangerous demagoguery is never a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curryjacket Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Bah humbug. Rewarding dangerous demagoguery is never a good idea.This.Trump is a madman with no political credentials or coherent ideas. He is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 People just need to sit back and realize that there is no way most of Trump's claims will actually come to be. Trump from what I've seen can be influenced pretty easily. If he surrounds himself with good party Republicans, then he could potentially become a good president. Note that I am not saying great president, but he could be okay.  I'm skeptical of this. I'm sure that Trump won't be able to accomplish everything that is coming out of his mouth right now, but that doesn't imply he will be at all a tamed beast. He might be forced into a somewhat rational degree of cooperation with congressional Republicans, but on other issues, like his stance towards the rest of the world as Head of State, will be entirely unpredictable and legitimately present some, er, difficult potential scenarios.  I am saying that there's very little chance of a Trump presidency actually leading to WWIII.  Ironically, I feel like Clinton is probably the most likely candidate this entire race (except maybe Christie, or maybe Rubio) to start WWIII, due to her thoroughgoing hawk need to poke other, mostly annoyed countries with a stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentflood Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 I can barely afford college as a white female but let us give free educational aid to illegal aliens who are not citizens. Let us rally around small minority groups like Black Lives Matter, So, in your opinion, what is your definiton of illegal aliens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 So, in your opinion, what is your definiton of illegal aliens? Â The definition of "illegal aliens" is not a matter of opinion. It literally just means an "alien" (i.e. person from another country) who is here "illegally" (i.e. in violation of immigration laws). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silentflood Posted June 25, 2016 Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 The definition of "illegal aliens" is not a matter of opinion. It literally just means an "alien" (i.e. person from another country) who is here "illegally" (i.e. in violation of immigration laws). I asked because it sounds like she includes african americans in the term "alien" Â Because really, to go off topic, we are all aliens. Native Americans were here first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasmaHam Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 I asked because it sounds like she includes african americans in the term "alien" Â Because really, to go off topic, we are all aliens. Native Americans were here first. Â The term "alien" is not up to debate, Jazzy was just listing two points and you just happened to blend them together. Â Â The Indians could also be considered aliens as well, depends on when you draw the line. The argument over illegal aliens is not a race thing. Illegals are taking jobs and tax money from hard working Americans. The Democrats are basically ignoring this problem, saying that Americans should help these people, while Republicans want to end this, saying that Americans shouldn't need to take these people in. Â Donald Trump's plan is to build a border wall to keep the Illegals from crossing. This is not very controversial, except for the cost, in which Trump claims he make Mexico pay. The likelihood of Mexico actually paying is extremely low, and Trump hasn't explain how he plans to make them do it. "Build a wall!" has been a running gag among the media, a term used to mock Trump and his campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Because really, to go off topic, we are all aliens. Native Americans were here first. Â I would disagree that "alien" should be applied to someone who was born and raised in their country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I really dislike Donald Trump. And his plans is to put all wall around MEXICO?! I believe that DOnlad Trump shouldn´t be president at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 And his plans is to put all wall around MEXICO?! Is that supposed to be obviously bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Is that supposed to be obviously bad? i think it does. He is obviously planing something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKAY Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited)  The term "alien" is not up to debate, Jazzy was just listing two points and you just happened to blend them together.   The Indians could also be considered aliens as well, depends on when you draw the line. The argument over illegal aliens is not a race thing. Illegals are taking jobs and tax money from hard working Americans. The Democrats are basically ignoring this problem, saying that Americans should help these people, while Republicans want to end this, saying that Americans shouldn't need to take these people in.  Donald Trump's plan is to build a border wall to keep the Illegals from crossing. This is not very controversial, except for the cost, in which Trump claims he make Mexico pay. The likelihood of Mexico actually paying is extremely low, and Trump hasn't explain how he plans to make them do it. "Build a wall!" has been a running gag among the media, a term used to mock Trump and his campaign. Native Americans. Americans are no authority on moral line drawing and you bothering to insinuate Native Americans can justifiably remotely be categorized as aliens is frankly disappointingly ignorant. Edited September 9, 2016 by JKAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKAY Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) i think it does. He is obviously planing something If he's elected he'll be an impotent figurehead. His "plans" aren't going to change anything.  EDIT: He's still an imbecile and I'm not voting for him. I'm not so much worried about him as I am irritated with my fellow country men for taking him so seriously. Edited September 9, 2016 by JKAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 i think it does. He is obviously planing something Yes, he's planning to build a wall. Do you think there's something deeper here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladesinger Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Between Clinton and Trump, I would go with Trump. Even though he acts like a child sometimes and can be very scary with his words, I'm sure he would be less dangerous than Clinton. Clinton is a criminal, for one, and she'll do what she has to to see her objectives through (which I don't believe are as transparent as everyone thinks). Trump is not a politician, and, for a lot of people, that's one of his best traits. Besides, the US government is based off checks and balances. It's not like Trump will be able to run free and make people do whatever he wants them to. The others in the government will have influences and I guess tone him down a little, if he does end up president. Â There have been multiple claims and reports of vote manipulation this election. I'm only 16, but I don't remember ever hearing about that in the past. Except in the 1800s when there was basically no accountability (haha). anyway, my dad said, and I don't think it's far-fetched, that Clinton will win whether or not the majority of voters actually vote for her, and she will appoint Obama as the Supreme Justice. Â anyway that's what I think. Sorry if it was sorta jumbled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'm sure he would be less dangerous than Clinton. I doubt that.  Clinton is a criminal, for one, Trump may not be a criminal in as clear a sense as Clinton could be called one, but he's pulled off some wicked and shady stuff in his life. At best they're equal here. Trump is evil, and I mean that seriously. and she'll do what she has to to see her objectives through (which I don't believe are as transparent as everyone thinks). Her objectives are straightforward: she's a plain, ol' modern liberal. She supports expansive government and progressive social policies and unusually hawkish foreign policy. I don't like these things one bit, but she has been clear and consistent on them in both word and deed for years.  Trump is not a politician, and, for a lot of people, that's one of his best traits. That's not automatically a plus. Sure, it could be one in the right context, but you know what? Lots of people who should never in a million years be President aren't politicians. People who run prostitution rings aren't generally politicians, either. (And Trump owning casinos is close enough to the same thing.) Besides, the US government is based off checks and balances. It's not like Trump will be able to run free and make people do whatever he wants them to. The others in the government will have influences and I guess tone him down a little, if he does end up president. This has not been the case under Bush or Obama. They both felt free to abuse executive powers and orders to bypass other parts of government. Trump will, no doubt at all about it, do the exact same thing, except maybe even worse.  There have been multiple claims and reports of vote manipulation this election. From where? There are always going to be such claims. Objective data show that voter fraud and manipulation are actually quite rare.  I'm only 16, but I don't remember ever hearing about that in the past. Except in the 1800s when there was basically no accountability (haha). I've heard about it with every election I was old enough to remember. And it's never been much more than an exaggerated rumor.  anyway, my dad said, and I don't think it's far-fetched, that Clinton will win whether or not the majority of voters actually vote for her That's not likely, though it's technically possible because electoral votes, not the popular vote, determine who will be President. You don't have to have the majority of people vote for you, just the majority of people in the electoral college vote for you. And the chances that there will be enough voter fraud, and that it will be caused by a rigging Clinton system, to affect the outcome of the election at all is ridiculously small. There's no clear way to even set up that kind of rigging.  and she will appoint Obama as the Supreme Justice. Why? Where has Obama ever shown any interest in becoming a Supreme Court justice? That's not his kind of background, and he's aged and worn out over his presidency. This sounds like a completely random and bizarre speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryce B. Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I just wanna pop in and say that I hate al the candidates and that a very tall high voltage electrical fence would work a whole lot better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesusismyticket Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 I just wanna pop in and say that I hate al the candidates and that a very tall high voltage electrical fence would work a whole lot better before we build the wall can we send them both to Mexico and leave them behind it? XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 You know, as much as I can't stand Trump, and I will never ever vote for him, I'm still kind of rooting for him to win just for the fun of it. He has seemed from the start like such a guaranteed loser that it would be pure entertainment gold to see his victory. Though I'd also die inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 i am confused.deosn´t donald trump ,hate hispanic people or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 i am confused.deosn´t donald trump ,hate hispanic people or something?  Um, not to my knowledge. What makes you think he does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Um, not to my knowledge. What makes you think he does? Â Idk when i thought of him building a wall around mexico.. in my mind itlike he is preventing them to migrate or something. idk just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicene Nerd Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Idk when i thought of him building a wall around mexico.. in my mind itlike he is preventing them to migrate or something. idk just a thought... Â The goal of a wall is to prevent people from immigrating by illegal means. The wall would not in any way hinder the normal legal process by which people may enter the United States. Thus the point (at least in theory) is about law and order and has nothing to do with race. Â That's not to say that the Trump campaign has been responsible at all about the relevant race issues, but that's another topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesusismyticket Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Michi, Donald Trump is not against legal immigrants, but people entering our country ILLEGALLY, which currently the highest rate of illegal aliens come from Mexico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Michi, Donald Trump is not against legal immigrants, but people entering our country ILLEGALLY, which currently the highest rate of illegal aliens come from Mexico. Â ooooooo okay. i got it now. thank chu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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